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Dana Blouin

You're listening to Bangkok strange what's going on everyone welcome back to Bangkok strange. I'm Dana blue and as always joined by my co host Mike Summerville aloha Hey guys don't forget to subscribe iTunes Google Play stitcher Spotify check out our YouTube channel check out our Facebook page you can find us anywhere just search Bangkok strange and for merge check us out at shop dot Bangkok strange calm we got a special episode for you today we got two very sexy bearded gentlemen in the studio with us we got big sexy bear Williams bear What's going on? Not too much man happy to be here. Yeah and we got we got our homie David I was Ivana I was not it doesn't matter It doesn't

David Asavanond

matter. Because david david david the sex David as a van like stress the ass part and everybody get David

Dana Blouin

ass Ivana Avandia There you go. Just gonna say David asked David asked. That's it.

David Asavanond

Really drag out the Yes.

Dana Blouin

Everybody gets everyone. Yeah. So it's misspelled a lot of

Bear Williams

double S

Dana Blouin

Yeah. Pull your mic a little bit closer to the edge of the table. Get closer back. Yeah, move your water shine

Mike Somerville

that black thing in front of your mouth. Just bring that a hell of a lot closer.

Dana Blouin

like normal like normal. Like you've

Mike Somerville

never heard that before.

David Asavanond

This is starting off really well, guys.

Mike Somerville

Mike just got through the sixth grade.

Dana Blouin

So what's the first thing my wife asked bear when you walked into the house today? Like you bring your Vaseline and Christmas? for that? Yeah. Looks like all bear. Great to see. Where's the Vaseline?

David Asavanond

I tell you what. I did not expect that from her. Right. But knowing how long she's lived with you.

Dana Blouin

Yeah.

Dana Blouin

I've slowly corrupted her mindset.

Dana Blouin

embarrassing. I didn't know I needed I was like, don't worry that way. you'll move up naturally. Eventually.

David Asavanond

Yeah. There's always the you know, yeah. What's the blood flowing?

Dana Blouin

By the third guy, you should be good.

David Asavanond

Starting strong,

Dana Blouin

please. Visit Bangkok strange babies.

Mike Somerville

Like PBS pick this up. I mean for this, you know, edgy, edgy.

Dana Blouin

But David, David was on my show on BFM. Beyond performance. He's like, Can I swear I was like, no, it's on radio. And Malaysia is like okay, and then we did another podcast is like can I swear on this? And let you say whatever the fuck you wise like fuck yeah.

David Asavanond

Yeah, that was the one. Yeah, that was just you and me. Yeah, just me. Yeah, right. All right. That's like a year ago.

Dana Blouin

Yeah, about that. Oh, shit. No, because it was q1. It was q1. So was that was that before? COVID for COVID Yeah, early this year. Yeah. Okay, back

Mike Somerville

when things were normal.

David Asavanond

Yeah. Now we're facing the new normal. Yeah, the new normal. What is so uncool? So I was gonna say so gay but we can't say that now day right? Yep.

Mike Somerville

Say it's fucking gay.

David Asavanond

Okay, okay. All right.

Mike Somerville

Bring out your Boston say

Unknown Speaker

listen, dad, man. What are you retarded? Come on

Mike Somerville

back here.

David Asavanond

Anyway, so no offense to homosexuals. Let's get it out there. Okay, no, use that word every now and again. Which is bound to happen just don't get offended please. I know we're still not I mean not still because we've been living this bullshit thought policing you know PC culture which I hate we all fucking hate that. It's not

Dana Blouin

on this show.

David Asavanond

Not you know it's just that anything we say please don't take it out of context. And stay focused on what's you know what what we're discussing what we're talking about. And we and a web we're good bunch of people we don't try to offend. I'm getting it out there and making sure that it's this shit. Right here.

Dana Blouin

I'll be straight up though. David hates society. So if he says something that offends you, he probably really meant it for you.

Mike Somerville

Directed

David Asavanond

but I discarded everything I just said Thank you. No problem.

David Asavanond

All right, so what are we covering today? You guys have a movie coming out in October we wait we want to go straight to that. Bobby we'll get that out of the way before we go deep on the I tell you what, man because you know you guys like you've had your thing going on for quite some time. I did my thing with you many times, man. Yeah, I see what you always

Unknown Speaker

say and yeah.

Mike Somerville

Yeah, duality of man.

David Asavanond

Listen, there's a lot of man love going on here. So

Mike Somerville

you may even grow a beard. I feel so a partial you should grow a beard.

David Asavanond

I just noticed that you're the pussy of the group.

Mike Somerville

I've got enough hair on my fucking back. I should just blew that stuff. Right right. You

Dana Blouin

know it's okay not to have a beard. You know a lot of women and children. Don't

Mike Somerville

I purposely shave doesn't shave her inner thighs. I'm thinking about the woman but no, you guys are all selfish all about yourself. Yeah,

Dana Blouin

I got some beard balm. It'll squirt.

Mike Somerville

Beard balm.

Mike Somerville

So normally you travel with it apparently so that's good. All right, so the movie

David Asavanond

Yeah. So my thing is this let's just do let's just give all this space to bear. Yeah, let's let's let's learn something about him like how he how he landed in Thailand and how he got into the movie business lady

David Asavanond

boys we know that.

David Asavanond

That's the starting play

Dana Blouin

the boys and Lady boys. So the answer to those two first question.

Bear Williams

My mom thinks

David Asavanond

so let's let's jump into it they're doing

David Asavanond

I guess we do want to know about Yeah,

Bear Williams

yeah. So

Dana Blouin

I worked in corporate in New York. Sorry.

Dana Blouin

We actually all except for David. All of us have been corporate guys, and we feel your pain. And David's like fucking losers. Yeah, I've

David Asavanond

worked in I've worked like a bit of corporate life. I can Yeah, I can talk and I've worked in like a small company. like doing event marketing or summer.

Dana Blouin

He was bagging the

David Asavanond

No, I was getting bang by like, the

Dana Blouin

bigger bang, but the fat dude around the company. David, bring me some coffee, please. I should have never told you about that. That was confidence that was supposed to be

Dana Blouin

like 50 year old do with sausage fingers. Like

Mike Somerville

you're only here for a little while young man.

David Asavanond

While just a little while back, please go ahead.

David Asavanond

Do you want to mention what it was? who it was? Uh, you don't want to touch that?

Bear Williams

No, no, I worked for Microsoft.

David Asavanond

for nine years. So not it's not a small fry. By the way. Big time, you know,

Mike Somerville

yesterday in New York City,

Bear Williams

it it was like, it was a very stressful job. It was something where I learned a shit ton. I mean, but it got to a point where I looked at the people above me and said, is that what I want? Right?

Mike Somerville

Yeah, forget and

Bear Williams

I don't know, we went through a transition.

Dana Blouin

Yeah, we gotta get closer to the mic. So move the team move the team.

Mike Somerville

I said that to people a lot. You got to get much closer to the mic.

Dana Blouin

closer to your mouth. Just like, touch your lips. Yeah, just let it touch your lips and then figure out

David Asavanond

we're not gonna let it just talk all the way through. Like that's why

Mike Somerville

you just feel it. You need to feel it.

Dana Blouin

Let's angle that up a bit.

Bear Williams

All right, good. We don't hold the back of your head. My corporate job was easier than

Mike Somerville

stressful though. A sexually harassed me with a beard.

Dana Blouin

Get to get a little bit closer, feel more natural. Okay.

Mike Somerville

Just breathe, just breathe.

Mike Somerville

You got to have

Bear Williams

sexual harassment.

Mike Somerville

Never did that at Microsoft. no judgment.

David Asavanond

No judge

Bear Williams

judgment, writes of emails about it. Yeah, it's actually

Mike Somerville

it's a world class company. It's an

Bear Williams

unbelievable company. And I mean, like, there is like a hippie culture to it, because it kind of came out of Seattle. And there's really great people there. I learned a lot and the skills that I learned there, I took into everything would, you know, team building and recruiting people and making sure that, you know, everyone builds their responsibilities around a goal, and making sure that everybody wants to do their job? Yeah, it's not easy to do. Because a lot of people that go into these jobs, they just look at it as like, why the hell am I here?

Mike Somerville

Eight hours a day, give me the check.

Bear Williams

Yeah, give me a check. So you got to try to like, you know, develop something that people want to be a part of. So all the things that I learned with regard to that, were awesome, nice. Um, but like I said, when I started to get to a certain level, I looked at it as is that what I want? Do I want to be like VP executive and continue to go up to that? And we went through a transition period where the company sold our division to AOL. Okay. And at that point, I decided that it was time for me to leave and just to figure out what I wanted to do.

David Asavanond

Yeah. Sorry to cut you off real quick. No, I didn't know that AOL still existed. Oh, yeah.

Bear Williams

Well, the price to us. Like Time

Dana Blouin

Warner Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Bear Williams

Well, time, man. Yeah, um, yeah. And even like, the Time Warner part of it really wasn't in the factor. It more was something because of the fact Verizon had AOL right wing, and they were looking to consolidate a lot of media properties. And Microsoft kind of looked at it as well, if we can outsource this, this to them. It's going to save us a ton of money. And I don't know at that point, with regard to advertising. Everybody was becoming more and more automated. Yeah, for sure. So they wanted to pull everything into almost like a stock exchange for buying and selling ads. So with technology that AOL had, they started to just pull this inventory in. And during that transition, I looked at it as well, you know, I can go into this and you know, Start to, you know, build a business there. Or I can kind of bow out and go and try to do something else. The only problem is, is I had no idea what I wanted to do

Mike Somerville

was this like fairly recent, like, in other words, where there was the automation involving AI and ml running in Azure, or this is like nothing like a like 25 years ago,

Bear Williams

not 25 years ago. No, not at all. I mean, like, it probably started in about 2013. Okay, yeah, yeah. And then basically, where I left at what point I left was 2015.

Mike Somerville

Okay, so very recent. Yeah.

Dana Blouin

So yeah, you bang right over to Thailand, or No, I

Bear Williams

didn't. So, yeah, so I actually stayed in New York, I interviewed at a couple other companies, and I just saw it as being like, you know, different problems, different people, same lights, you know, same desk. And I just decided that, you know, maybe I wanted to do something completely different. So a couple years before that I had invested in a plot of land that was out in Northern California. And I just held on to it and didn't do anything with it. Because I thought, Oh, if they pass like cannabis laws, at some point, you're allowed to grow. That would be something that I would retire doing. Yeah. So after I kind of decided, well, New York isn't really for me. I'm gonna probably try to go out to California and blow out a small farm. Right. Um, the issue is, is in our first season, everything got lit up

Dana Blouin

by fire.

Bear Williams

Yeah, so it just went completely. We, you know, built everything up and it just got blaze down.

Mike Somerville

So no insurance. I mean, you couldn't recover from

Bear Williams

I mean, to get involved with financial companies in that place where it's like a wild west situation is brand new. I mean, even paying taxes on right anything that you create is technically federally a crime.

Dana Blouin

Yes, you can pay state tax but not federal tax. I know there's, there's still have to pay. But so there's like banking solutions in California. I just I know this, I have a friend who's in that industry out there, where the bank will hold the estimated tax earnings until a federal law is passed at some point, and then you can back pay and be like, Oh, this is the thing and yeah, but it's still a fucked up situation.

Bear Williams

It starts to get squirrely though too, because then you're giving someone money to hold on to now they can go invest in Yeah, they can make money. So it's, it's this weird thing where there's a lot of trust involved with people that I mean, because there's no regulation. Yeah, it's hard to trust people.

Mike Somerville

Well, that was one season. So okay, so the fire comes in, you're done. And then you're like, Alright, let's replant. This sucks. But that's exactly

Bear Williams

it. So I started to kind of look at it as what do I want to do this again? And you know what, thinking like, you know, we just had a fire. That means that there's pretty low chance that the next season there's going to be another fire. That's fair, literally nothing. Well,

Mike Somerville

hopefully, maybe it's California.

Bear Williams

Yeah. But so, um, I kind of, I just said to myself, I'm like, this doesn't feel right. Okay. And I like being like working land. I like kind of learning that kind of stuff and horticulture, all those things. But I just thought like, there's got to be something more to life. So I bought a one way ticket to Bangkok. And I basically kind of said, If I go to Bangkok, I'll be myself alone in a new situation. If I don't like it there. I'm centrally located. I can go anywhere else. Korea, Vietnam, Singapore. Why

Mike Somerville

Thailand? We like watching you.

David Asavanond

He explained to

Dana Blouin

us, you know, there's girls here.

Dana Blouin

Yeah.

Mike Somerville

Seriously, was that a motivator? Not

Bear Williams

really. Not really, women? I mean, I am. It's not a de motivator? Sure. But I mean, like, if I really wanted to go for women, I probably would have went to Japan. I'm like, there's something about it.

Dana Blouin

Okay. So let's be honest. I mean, like, the average Thai girl would be like, eight in, in America, like,

Mike Somerville

yeah. And yeah, American would be a four here. Not even not average, like a 10. Like a

Dana Blouin

10. In America, like a four here. Yeah.

Bear Williams

But the thing is, is like I wasn't driven and probably too, because of the fact that I'm not married. I don't have kids, right? relationships, for me is never been like a substantial driver of what I want to do. I always kind of go after things that I feel like, scare the shit out of me. Good for you. So you know, nice. Going to somewhere I've never been before I don't speak the language. I'm going alone. And I'm just going to go there and figure it out, was something that like, I kind of figured, no one's gonna tell me how to do it. I have to make all the decisions for myself. And up until that point, like the only people I ever listened to my mom, my boss's boss, my friends. When I left to go to Bangkok, my four closest friends almost had like an intervention. I love this. I love this. He sat me down for like beers and basically said you can't do this. It's a third world country for Christ's sake. And what do you do they give me that? Yeah, fucking insane. Like, how can you possibly just leave us and go there? Yeah, and it's more like, dude, like, I'm just the internet exists. The problem?

Dana Blouin

You don't have email.

Bear Williams

Yeah. And also to is like, it's my adventure.

Mike Somerville

The fuck do you think you are? These guys? They all married had kids kind of thing where they are in

Bear Williams

those directions? Okay, some of them one of them was kind of like just getting over a breakup, but like, but there is like this. Cuz even when I left Microsoft, you're not supposed to do that. Yeah, right. Exactly. My mom was furious with me and my friends were telling me Oh, you've peaked. It's all downhill as you go to Google for Microsoft. Yeah,

Dana Blouin

it's

Bear Williams

a lateral transition. Yeah, it's okay. I had

Dana Blouin

to say I was an engineer, I quit my engineering job. And people were like, You're fucking a network engineer for like, one of the biggest telecom providers in the world. Because one of the dopest jobs in network The fuck is wrong with you? Like I want to so I'm like this job socks. Like, like, it's killing me. Yeah,

Bear Williams

this it wasn't even that. I just literally walked away from it. Yeah, everyone that I was involved with at work was mad at me because I left Yeah, there were people who are mentors with kind of calling me going like, What the fuck are you doing? Like, this is a point where you can grow from this and kind of jump those next couple of levels. And I was like, there's just something that doesn't feel right. I can't explain it to you. And there's something that's always been pretty consistent with me where I don't want to call it like a voice like, I'm fucking insane. But there's something that kind of says to me, this is not right. Yeah. And there's also something that says, do that. Go, go go. And usually it's when I'm terrified. And in the job at Microsoft, I was no longer scared. Yeah, it was routine. But it not only routine, it's just like, when people were threatening me because I was leaving. I wasn't afraid. And I was like, if I'm not afraid of you, this is over.

David Asavanond

Interesting. Because

Bear Williams

for me, I'm never learning unless I'm scared shit pushed out of it. Yeah.

Mike Somerville

Good for you.

Bear Williams

So when I ended up getting and that's why I thought like, Oh, I'm gonna go be a farmer now because that's gonna be insane. And then all of a sudden, something just went and I was like, fuck fire. You know, I wanted to be like, you know, a pot Baron, you know? But that just didn't happen for me.

David Asavanond

You know? I love that a pot

Dana Blouin

I love it the Rockefeller as

Bear Williams

soon as the prohibition is over, I would like rule over everywhere. But it just it just at a certain point. It didn't feel right.

Dana Blouin

I can tell it like, like a fucking mad max version. Yeah. Pot legal world. Yeah. be barred windshield. leaves falling out of your luggage. Driving through fucking pop fields. It is.

Bear Williams

Literally, you're absolutely right. Because he was another world. Yeah. And I was like, that is something that interests him on the phone.

David Asavanond

Wait, so go back to what you were saying that you were gonna compete. You're gonna become a pot Baron. Yeah. And then and then what happened after that? So I don't want to lose your trail. Oh, yeah. Cuz

Bear Williams

that blew up. I had to do something else. And I kind of said to me, I haven't, like been Australia, but it was like an organized trip. I had been to a couple places in Europe, but it was like I was blind drunk. Yeah, so I hadn't really explored and I kind of thought of myself, like, going there alone, traveling alone and being in a place where it's completely foreign to me and also to one of the attractions to Bangkok was that it seemed like there was an element of freedom here. And I know you're going to say oh, well, you know, there's a military government another

Dana Blouin

number like personal freedom.

Bear Williams

Freedom Yeah. Where I also felt in the United States that that personal freedom was shrinking, where it was more and more the media, social media, everything starting to try to control you. And I was kind of rebelling against that in a big way and I also rebelled against my job I rebelled against my parents so when I got to Bangkok there was like this wild west kind of feel to it it is a while

Dana Blouin

Yeah, play Cambodia wild west but it is wild west I felt when I yeah,

Bear Williams

no structure when you're gonna maybe not wake up in a bathtub. Just enough freedom where you can do anything.

Dana Blouin

I tell you about the time I got drugged in Cambodia by two prostitutes what we'll get into that later we get into that. told me this fucking story. It's 2006 The first time I came to Asia well we'll get let's let's let's bear get to like his Thailand in tremors and then it's civil talk best generosity, gunfights and jogging

David Asavanond

journeys is so fucking impressive. I can completely relate to it because I did more or less the same thing when I went to New York as well. Yeah, like I had that decision because something happened to me where I was like, I'm not gonna fucking stay in Thailand anymore. I gotta, you know, I got to go out and fix and yeah, make something of myself. You know,

Bear Williams

the one thing that I didn't realize about traveling alone is that People say, oh, you're going to go see a bunch of stuff. But the biggest thing being in a new situation where you don't know shit is what you learn about yourself in handling those situations. Oh, yeah. So when I got here, I basically woke up in the morning and be like, what do I want to do

Mike Somerville

anything? Yeah.

Bear Williams

So then all of a sudden, I have to start answering that question like, hmm, do I want to go and spend my time in the gym every day? Do I want to go try to, you know, Polish more of my Muay Thai or what it was just like, it's almost overwhelming. And I found like, go back to girls, I found a couple of people that were willing to take me out and show me things to teach me a little bit of language. So I started learning my bearings. And at a certain point, I was like, I could stay here. And I could stay here and I could have freedom to then eventually figure out what it is that I want to do. And ultimately, that is what makes me happy. How

Mike Somerville

long did that take? Like, when you said yourself? Holy shit. I could actually stay here one day, two weeks, one month, a month, one month?

Bear Williams

Yeah, a month. It was a month, man.

Dana Blouin

Because it took me more than a year to get to that really

David Asavanond

quick turnaround.

Dana Blouin

Wow. But then you were younger, too. That was I was at universities. Yes. I came here with the plan of like, I'll get a PhD and I'll go do something else. Well, you're in your early 30s. Right.

David Asavanond

Mid 30s. Mid 30s. Yes. are still young. How old?

Mike Somerville

were you when you got here? He

David Asavanond

was born. I was raised here. I was born in France.

Mike Somerville

Okay, yeah. But then moved out. And then I then

David Asavanond

I traveled and I studied abroad and all that shit. Okay,

Mike Somerville

got it. And then bear. How old are you? I was 4040. Okay, yeah.

David Asavanond

So he's a late bloomer. He's a late bloomer.

Mike Somerville

That's about what I was at. I thought

Dana Blouin

as young as Tony and nobody. Is that young? metabolically? How old?

Dana Blouin

2880 Yeah,

Mike Somerville

copy that said you're in the right place.

Bear Williams

little joke little joke. The real thing about like it. So I did go into a big depression when I do when I came. Once I, you know, I so I went back home. I was living with a girl I had basically had to be I had a look at her and go like, okay, I came home from my trip here. and was like, I'm gonna pack up shop. I'm gonna put a bunch of stuff in the storage. And I'm gone. she freaked out. No, she doesn't really freak out like your body. She was more disappointed that there wasn't a conversation God. So I mean, like, but the thing is, is at that point in my one month, first year in Thailand, I was like, there are no more conversations. Anybody that tries to tell me what to do

Mike Somerville

get slapped down. I love that.

Unknown Speaker

I love that. And it was

Bear Williams

the first time in my life that I was doing that at 40 years old.

Dana Blouin

Yeah, it's a wake up.

David Asavanond

It is. And

Bear Williams

it was almost like, I didn't realize that I had training wheels on the whole entire time I was alive. And then all of a sudden, I came over here, and I'm riding around by myself. I'm having a fucking blast. I'm doing whatever it is I want and I'm like, holy shit. I'm free.

Dana Blouin

So Fight Club moment.

Unknown Speaker

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dana Blouin

Yeah. Men of a Certain Age.

Bear Williams

Yeah. People will equate it to like midlife crisis. And I don't it's not

Mike Somerville

a wicked venture.

Bear Williams

Listen,

David Asavanond

I it's an awakening. Yeah.

Bear Williams

blackout drunk from my attire. 20s. Yeah. So I didn't need to then, you know, go at 40 years old, and buy a car, get the girls do a bunch of blow and be like, Ooh, this is great. I have a heart attack and 50 ended up in a grave. I was like, okay, I've done everything. And I've also done the things that people say you shouldn't do. Yeah. And I still didn't achieve that feeling of happiness. So when I got here, I was in search of like, what do I need to do in order to feel like I'm fulfilled. And it's, it's that the freedom that this place provides, but it's also the fact that I had kind of cut the ties away from America. Okay. So, and it's funny, too, because a lot of people were sending me like, when are you going back? When you come back? My friends, when I told them that I was leaving, we're like, this is gonna be a long vacation for you. Yeah, we'll be back. Right. And I was like, I don't think you are listening nor understanding. So

David Asavanond

patronizing. Yeah, it's like, I know you you're not gonna last

Mike Somerville

definition of friendship, right. I mean, I'm gonna question that. I know

Unknown Speaker

that guy.

Bear Williams

A lot of people think they know me. A lot of people think that they know other people, but they don't realize that they're putting themselves on. Yeah, totally. Yeah. So it's like, I would never do right. Or it's not good for you.

Dana Blouin

I probably have back in the US. Five friends who just get it. Yeah, right. And they're like, dude, you're killing it. It's fucking awesome. I love what you're doing. Yeah. All the people like, Oh, you live in Asia. Even my family? Uh, something's wrong. He moved to Asia. Here. Yeah. No, like, it's sad. The funny thing is like when I was living their life, I was doing better than pretty much everyone. Yeah, right. And now I'm like, I was like, Fuck that.

Bear Williams

Yeah. It's hard, though, because of the fact that you want to make those people proud. Yes, there's a validation that comes with that. The one thing that I realized is you don't need that validation now, especially if it comes at the cost of your happiness.

David Asavanond

Yeah, that's true.

Bear Williams

And I think there. So there's a lot of people that I talked to digitally after I got here that were like, Oh, my God, I want to live I cares. Yeah, yeah. But the people who are closest, yet the people who live close, who were closest to me, were the ones that were trying to prevent me from thinking it was a good idea. Yeah, I bet. I've also realized though, it's like whenever you whenever someone tells you, you're crazy, you shouldn't do that. That's the first sign that you should do that. Yeah. pletely. Agree.

Dana Blouin

Same thing in business, man. Yeah.

Bear Williams

Because if you conform constantly, you just fall into the fray. Yeah, there's no breakout moment. And what people don't realize is if you don't stress yourself into a place of what is unknown, you're never going to grow. Yeah. So when I got here, of course, I always fell back on training and going to the gym. So that led me into doing bodybuilding competitions. I did two of them and I basically did

Dana Blouin

it because white face bear. I've seen I can face to myself. I saw the photo we had no tan, the first one

Dana Blouin

straight up, looks photoshopped.

Dana Blouin

cut my head off and put it on another body. Just like this is in Bangkok, you were

Bear Williams

one of them was in Koh Samui and the other one was in Cancun. Okay. But I was I was training in Bangkok at it. And you know, I did it is because I made fun of it for years. I was like, look at those freakin guys prancing around their underwear, like cute fucking Yeah, exactly. They just it to me, it was like something that was like, I don't want to say gay, but it was just like,

Mike Somerville

it was fucking weird.

Bear Williams

themselves. And it just was something that I ripped off. Yeah. And I always said I trained for functional strength. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. So I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna do it. But I'm going to do it because I know I'm going to hate it. And I had to go through the dieting process. I was probably at the time, like 120 kilos. And I had to bring it all the way down to 100. So it's like, wow, 40 pounds to lose. Right? Because I had to fit in the ties have like weird categories with height and size. And I had to fit in some like weird category, which made me almost look like I was emaciated. But the thing is, is like every step of the process, that sucked. I just kept pushing harder and harder and harder. And once it was over again, I learned something about myself and I bitched the entire way I didn't want to do it. I almost quit the day of but once it was over, I was like, You know what, I just did something that I didn't like again,

Mike Somerville

is this all self motivation? I mean, do you have like a really best friend? It was like No, no, dude, stop bitch and get out there. You're gonna be fucking amazing.

Unknown Speaker

No, it's him. It's really yeah, it's gonna be tough man. I

Dana Blouin

imagine like especially like if you see what wait what like the weight cutting and the dehydration that bodybuilders go through. I remember I was at a bodybuilding competition like just like you see dudes like just like tears streaming down. Well, they're like cotton getting ready. Wow, you go to the bathroom. It's the freakiest thing I went to take a piss. Then the fucking urinals. I'll have like brown lines around the edges.

Dana Blouin

They bump the fucking porcelain.

Dana Blouin

sparkly gold Brown. Yeah. This is Thailand. So it could be

Mike Somerville

kind of spicy.

Dana Blouin

But yeah, it's a bl you just like see, like guys like getting like there's one guy his girlfriend was stretching a cramp out of his calf. Yeah. Wow. And um, and like, he still has to go on and pose. Yeah, right. So massive and like you could cry looking at his calf and it's like one of those like, cramps we could see it moving.

David Asavanond

Yeah. tractions Yeah.

Dana Blouin

And his girlfriend just like pulling on his, the ball of the foot and like trying to stretch it out. And there Robert, I'm liking this dude has to go flex that in like 20 minutes. Like, I've had cramps before. And like, I can't even imagine like trying to like move my leg afterwards. He's gonna go, like, all out. flex it.

Bear Williams

Yeah. Is that part is that your experience? 100%

Mike Somerville

and you did that for how long?

Bear Williams

Um, so I did that. From when I got here. In 2016. I took a year to just like, you know, drown myself in sorrow drive a bike really fast and kind of like have a little bit of a debt lane split. But after I kind of got through that I decided to do the bodybuilding and I started that in 2017 17. Okay, and I did it for one year and we did two shows in one year.

Mike Somerville

Is that what got you out of the depression or we just finally woke up one day

Bear Williams

it was something to focus on. Okay. And the funny thing is, is that when I started cutting weight I was standing in a mall in Paragon Okay, and I looked different because I wasn't like this hundred and 20 pound unapproachable monster. And this young girl and her boyfriend came up to me and they said, Excuse me, are you an actor? And I was like, no interesting and normal. So I also have shit happens.

Mike Somerville

Okay, well, yeah, I was gonna say wait is this

Bear Williams

Yeah, and just earlier that day I had in like a morning meditation said to myself, I need to be more open to people I need because normally if someone's talking to me, I won't even look at them. I don't know them. Okay, because if I have headphones on, they can be like this. And I'm just like, nope, got even there. I don't speak English. So I was saying to myself if I'm if I don't speak English

Dana Blouin

only that one sentence.

Unknown Speaker

Okay,

Dana Blouin

so don't talk to me.

Mike Somerville

It's all I know how to

Bear Williams

speak. Nothing.

Dana Blouin

Yeah.

Bear Williams

So I had basically said to myself, I'm like, you need to be more open and when people come and speak to you just be more inviting. And lo and behold, like, either that day The next day, this young girl and the boyfriend come up to me asked me if I'm an actor, and I look at I go, No, and they're like, would you like to be? And I'm like, okay, and Okay, well, let's exchange our information live. And yeah, we're gonna send you we are we're gonna send you something and there's going to be a date and a time and you just come to the casting

Mike Somerville

we're totally open to the sea we like these people I find it

Bear Williams

hard to screw me over we're gonna fucking like mug Yeah, right

Dana Blouin

ladyboy rape video I'm

Mike Somerville

in my studio. I

Bear Williams

was like come to my studio. I'm like this is how people get killed. Yeah, right or like my buddies were

Mike Somerville

right.

Dana Blouin

Down Yeah.

Mike Somerville

I was driving a motorbike fast I have sex with these two people

Bear Williams

are so sweet. They were so absolutely sweet. They were so kind and sweet that I was like, I'm gonna die if I go here like I don't because I also have this American thing in me where like everyone's trying to fuck Yes, I come from New York. Oh god yeah, so right that is so right and conflict oriented first. Yeah. What do you want? Yeah, and nobody comes up to you and ask you something else they want Yeah, so the whole I had a problem in California with that too. Yeah. Where my family and friends in California like what the fuck is wrong with you? And I'm like, I don't trust anybody. Yes, people are gonna try to

Mike Somerville

say hi to me randomly on the sidewalk Jesus Christ they don't know.

David Asavanond

I love that stuff. But you know after I left New York that's that that was my mindset. Yeah, I was like okay, always on the defensive well talk to me What do you want from me? What the fuck is that and you always like you know you're roughing up a little bit you know, you ruffle the feathers to make to show them that a dolphin.

Dana Blouin

You got a peacock Bangkok's 180 of that. Yeah,

Bear Williams

what are you gonna play with? One of my friends when I got here said to me, you know, you're really nice guy. But you're really angry. And I just looked at him like, what the fuck you talking? Like that?

Mike Somerville

Yeah, look in the mirror. And

Bear Williams

when I kind of realized that, and realize that that was a choice. I was like, Oh, shit, I can turn that off. And not only that, I turned it off. When I went back once to visit New York. I was surrounded by the most intense people that I met in my life freaking out.

David Asavanond

forgetting that you're one of those ones. I was Yeah, I was

Bear Williams

in their frequency now had dropped out of that band. Yeah. And was looking at them going like, this is too intense. Yeah, you people are crazy. How did I ever ever survive? Or like what kind of cancer was I making? By being in that band? And were they like,

Mike Somerville

dude, you've changed. You're such a fucking pussy.

Unknown Speaker

Yeah, yes. Is that yes.

Bear Williams

Yeah, well, surely it is drinking and throwing drinks. What is going on? And like, I gotta get out of here. To get back to Tyler. Yeah.

David Asavanond

So that is that was so Me too.

Dana Blouin

Me too.

Dana Blouin

Hashtag hashtag me. That was so hashtag Me too. When the

Dana Blouin

last time we went back there.

Bear Williams

Two years ago in fall, so quite a while

Mike Somerville

felt normal vendor.

Bear Williams

I only went to California Actually, I went to California and I kind of kept a small circle in New York. So it was at that point, I knew what to expect. So it was kind of like brand new.

Mike Somerville

David, you were saying New York. How long were you? It

David Asavanond

was over six years. Okay.

Mike Somerville

Yeah. So not a lifetime. But another.

David Asavanond

But yeah, it's I think I adopted the whole attitude, maybe like one and a half years, two years later. I guess people are just so aggressive all the time. And I just, I just come from Thailand, you know, Bangkok. And so yeah, people are kind of chilled out like that. And then I would remember I spent four years in Boston, right. Okay. But it's not as intense. No, I went to uni. So you know, you see within the country. Yeah, exactly.

Dana Blouin

Why do you say that? It's just such as high weight like no one in America says uni right. It's like, everyone wants a college. Yeah, it doesn't matter where I went to Harvard College. Would you go to college. Have it resources like I went to university like,

Unknown Speaker

here just started out.

Dana Blouin

Yeah.

David Asavanond

Let me rephrase that. So went to when I went to college.

Dana Blouin

Yeah, I was still within the confines of Beto. He went to bu at Boston University people get like so pissed if you don't called bossy like it's a university. It's not a cause out of college. And

David Asavanond

the reason why I say UT

Dana Blouin

not Boston, not David David is I don't have that he asked if I think Boston College is like a legit like Catholic. Yeah. Bu is kind of like a like, it's a big school in the city like no, it's better than Wentworth where I went in Boston, but yeah,

Dana Blouin

I mean, I did bang a lot of slots from bu

Dana Blouin

real quick, I was telling my friend this story

Unknown Speaker

the other night stop himself. He's gonna be like, I gotta do

Dana Blouin

this, uh, this chick from bu who I was dating in air quotes hanging at the time. I saw my buddy Troy this last night. I had my my nipples pierced. Yeah, your nipples pierced long time ago. Holy shit. Yeah, they still pierced All right, okay. And later. So, she was where I had the top bunk in my dorm at Wentworth. She's like, she had this long, like, really thick, curly hair. And we were laying in bed, and naked, and she's like, I gotta go clean up in the bathroom and clean up what while we were while we were exercising her hair has somehow gotten wrapped around my nipple. So we're on the second on the second bunk. And she says, she like she sits up to like, kind of pop off. She's really short. And I could feel the tension pull on my nipple. She sat up. Oh, stop, stop and she like goes to push off the bed. I reach over I grab her.

Dana Blouin

I'm holding this girl up over the

Dana Blouin

unwrap my nipples. Like flailing and dropping you guys like this? I love

Mike Somerville

where he's ripping. Anyone anyway.

Dana Blouin

Yeah, be you girl. Anyway, go on.

David Asavanond

Yeah, I got a lot of stories regarding like dorm sex and stuff like that. I wasn't. I was in a dorm man. It was nuts. It was crazy. Crazy. He lives in the the big one in the middle of college. No, no, not the middle like to like at the end the three

Dana Blouin

or not all so you lived in the the towers at the end? Yeah, exactly. That's what this girl West Campus. Yeah, she lives in West Campus. So you might have heard me back in the day. You laughed when I went? Exactly.

Mike Somerville

Yeah, so the big piece of hair ripped out of her scalp?

Dana Blouin

You graduated in 98? Yeah, so I started in 97. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Yeah, crazy

David Asavanond

times, man. So um, where were we

Mike Somerville

know how did you guys meet? Actually, did you meet in let's

David Asavanond

Yes, we haven't get into what bear is about to get into now. It's gonna overlap it. How we you know, first blossomed our love so that's that's something that

Dana Blouin

yeah, it's amazing. David's a little Weinstein. Loving a lot of

Unknown Speaker

guys though. Guys.

Mike Somerville

You're very open minded. Appreciate gotta

David Asavanond

be mad. This is the fucking 2000 20s right. I mean, Jesus Christ and goes,

Dana Blouin

anything goes. So

David Asavanond

this is this and throughout the throughout Bear's journey from leaving New York to coming to come to Thailand. You see how one thing leads to another? Okay. In a wonderful kind of way. Yeah. And,

Bear Williams

and also to I had since I've been young, I wanted to be an actor. Okay. But there was always something Oh, he was a comedian in New York.

Unknown Speaker

Yeah,

Dana Blouin

there has a YouTube channel. We'll link it in the show notes. Yeah, he's got like, some of the comedy videos up there. Plus your, your your limited series of light was it live from Bangkok? In the bank and the bank, Bear Bear Williams in the bank was actually super funny. It was funny.

Bear Williams

And then I started to kind of think about more topics to do. And I'm like, I don't care about any of this shit. Yeah, it was very difficult to think about things that I wanted to really care about. But anyway, yeah, so I did stand up it actually, it's funny because I did stand up for about four years in New York. And it started to become this thing where I was doing it part time while I was working at Microsoft. And I had to pick a job sure, because it was either going to be like starving artists, quote, unquote, a comedian and see if I can push that line. Or to go into a place where I can be a stand up comedian at sales meetings and all this other stuff, and use my talent in that way to sell and make a shit ton of money. Yeah, totally. So I chose the money. And that's what I also think in the end was kind of fucking with me, because there was saying, like, this is cool, but it's not what you want to be. It's not what you want to do. So I also I wanted to be an entertainer. I just didn't know how in any situation that I got into I tried to be an entertainer. Yeah. Um, so I wanted to be an actor. My would probably be something that like, my mom would say to me like, it's not lucrative. You can't do, right. Like I had, you know, girlfriend saying like, it's boring, you're not going to be entertained. You go into business, just do this, do that. And I kind of always said like, I don't think you know me because I think it's gonna be something that fulfills me. But everybody tells you No, no, no, no, no. And the competition in America is super stiff.

Mike Somerville

Especially in new

Dana Blouin

Oh, my

Bear Williams

stiffness, I gotta watch

Dana Blouin

open to interpretation.

Mike Somerville

That motivates you.

Dana Blouin

Something else Pierce No.

Bear Williams

No. So more or less, like, I had been kind of like, had it played down for my entire life. But now when I got here and went through this a bunch of different things, and someone comes up to me in a shopping mall and say, Hey, do you want to be an actor?

Mike Somerville

Walk us through that. I mean, like, literally, like later that day, like what happened after that? So

Bear Williams

after that interaction, I was. I didn't think because I'm so skeptical. I didn't think anything of it. And I also didn't think that it would lead to anything else. I kind of was just like, Alright, you know, well, if they if they text me, I'll go just because I, even though I'm skeptical, it's something new. And you know, what, if it ever leads to something cool. I'll be glad that I tried it. And if I don't get whatever the hell they're pushing. You know, I'll learn something. Yeah. So they text me they give me a location in town in town. Okay, I go and I show up to this building. That just looks like a big gray concrete building. And I'm like, Oh, fuck.

David Asavanond

This is the rape. Here's how clear

Bear Williams

door Wow, the lady who selling like fried stuff at the bottom is like watching me kind of like pace around the hair looking for an opening. And finally kind of looks like go in there. And I'm like, but that's a stairs up like, yeah, and she's just like,

David Asavanond

go go. Yeah, that's all it is. That's where the action is. That's right,

Mike Somerville

Lady boys are just killing

Dana Blouin

me Vaseline.

Bear Williams

So I walk up the stairs into like, the second floor, and there's a couple people standing around. But it's still a shit show building and I'm gonna fuck is this place. And they're all looking at me. And now I'm self conscious. And they're all Thai. And I'm going like, I'm in the wrong fucking place. And I start to go down. But one of the girls that can be and she goes up again, up, go up

Dana Blouin

again. And I'm like, there's that joke, right? Yeah, keep taking.

Bear Williams

We've killed people in the basement.

Dana Blouin

They throw you off the path.

Mike Somerville

Suicide from the top floor.

Bear Williams

So I walk up the stairs. And as soon as I come up to that stairs, it's like, legit office space. And I'm like, Okay, all right. Wait a second. I'm like, maybe I'm not gonna die. So they see me and they come out like, Oh my god, you're here. And I'm like,

Dana Blouin

yeah, I'm here. And they

Bear Williams

bring me into a room and sit me down and start patting me with makeup. And I'm like, What the fuck is first?

David Asavanond

So that was the first time ever in your life. We were sat down in a chair and had a makeup. Yeah, put on you. Yeah, they didn't.

Bear Williams

Yeah, I'm like, I'm trying to kind of be like, let it happen. Wow. putting makeup on me and everything that is an American male about me. It's going like this is not okay. But I think it's what they do. Just let it go.

David Asavanond

That's keeping an open mind man. That's what hat holds. Is that I say fuck this. What are you doing to me? You got away you know, cuz

Bear Williams

again, no twos like I've done

Bear Williams

what is it? The deprivation tank? Yeah. And like, I've been in places like really tight like MRI where you just have to close your eyes and pretend like you're not

Dana Blouin

a different place. Yeah, so

Bear Williams

that's basically what I did was you know, that's the

Bear Williams

that was another other circumstances to

Dana Blouin

go to a different

David Asavanond

position. fetal position. Just let this happen. Just let this happen. Relax.

Dana Blouin

Oh, my God.

Dana Blouin

When I was dancing, I

Bear Williams

feel like I'm so fucking shit scared and I want to run. I say to myself, this is where you should be. So it was one of those things. After the show. Let's have a drink.

Mike Somerville

Vaseline.

Mike Somerville

He's very open minded the other guests always ran.

Dana Blouin

I can smell it

Bear Williams

was in a room where it was like, there was One guy there that looks like me. And then there's three girls. I'm like, I could probably take everybody in this room. I mean, I might have trouble with the guy, but I think he's gonna help me because we'd look the same.

Mike Somerville

Like this the situation he was like, Oh my god, it's a fucking porno movie. Like, what? Oh, because that

Bear Williams

stuff was in another room. Okay, this is just an office, we just walk into like a white room, and there's like a mirror and a woman with the makeup. And then the two people the one person that I know, that introduced me to her boss. Yeah. And I walk in and they sit me right down in the makeup. So padding. The fuck is going on? Like, okay, okay, I think this is what they do. And I just kind of like, I let that go. And we then go into the other room where the guy with the camera is and they start to kind of put me through their paces. And it's for a bodyguard role. Okay? And I bombed it. I just bombed meaning they gave you lines to read No, no lines, it was more like they were directing me to be like a body. Okay, you know, like, and my thing as a bodyguard is like, I'm gonna be stoic. And I'm just gonna, you know, follow the paces, they tell me like you're walking, you're, you know, the person you're protecting. And this is what we need you to do. And I was just like, what I would be as a stoic bodyguard. And they kind of looked at me, like, we need more emotion. And I'm like, What the fuck are you talking about? You already put makeup on me? I'm like, I don't I don't. I didn't understand the cues at that point. So I was trying to fudge my way through it. And I basically ended up apologizing the whole time. I'm like, I'm so sorry, I wasted your time. I'm like, this is obviously not what you're looking for. I just completely fucked it up. And they're like, No, no, no, it's okay. It's okay. It's okay. And I left thinking like, you know, oh, well, I tried something new. It didn't go well, I obviously, you know, I'm I have no shot at this. But But, and then two weeks later, there you go. They called me. Actually, when I left, they said that they were going to connect me with somebody else that I could kind of, you know, and that's why I also thought they were like, Oh, he's so sweet. You know, like, we're just going to give him this other person. And then maybe they have an opportunity for him. But you know, he's not right for us. So I was like, I thought they kind of played me off. But really, they wanted to give me more of a network. And then two weeks later, they call me and they said, Hey, you have the part. And I was good, though. fuck out of here. I'm like, were you there? Because I was there. I'm like, whatever it is, I don't deserve it. And it's like, fucked it up so bad. And they're like, no, the director wants you there. So you're come back. And the guy who is in the room with me when I first came in, he was the other bodyguard who ended up being chosen as well. So him and I got to know each other. And then we ended up doing the job. And it was a commercial for a cell phone company. Okay. You know, and it just, it was really cool and surreal. And I kind of fell in love with it. Even though it was just like this little thing that I shot. That would be so cool. Yeah,

Mike Somerville

I'm like praying to God, I go over to icon Siam. And someone walks up to me and says, hey,

Mike Somerville

yeah, you want to be a garbageman? Yeah, obviously, I'm not felt like that.

Bear Williams

But, I mean, like, it was, it's not a lot of money or anything like that. But it was it was just the fact that I was like, Oh my god, it felt like more of like a creative thing. And I was like, Okay, I like this a lot. And, you know, lo and behold, like the other contact that they gave me, that led to another job. And then another job to commercial. Yeah, another commercial was more like TVC stuff, okay. And they just kind of things started kind of happening. And then I started feeling myself, I'm like, I really not only do I like this, but I feel like now I want to try to get better at it. And I want to try to kind of like, it's it's a puzzle that I was just dabbling with. But now I want to try to figure it out. Because there has been a lot of things that I've done. There's really been nothing where in my life where I've woken up in the morning and been excited to go there. And this was something where I was like, every time I had a job, I was like, I can't wait, I can't wait. Can't wait. That's awesome. Yeah, a lot of times too, is like, you don't even know what it is. Yeah, you don't. There's been a couple times where I show up. They're like, you're gonna fight someone today. And I'm like, watch, like,

Mike Somerville

dress, like Why did you make me wear the pink?

David Asavanond

Like the ballet costume?

Bear Williams

Any choreography or anything like that? I don't worry. It's gonna be great. I'm just like, Are you sure? Okay, I'm gonna try. But it's that thing where you kind of like, it makes me feel alive. And if they were to give me you know, more content to work with, I would just kind of take that as something that I could build on. Yeah, but a lot of the kind of like, the absence of direction, and then kind of just being okay, well, now we're going to roll and the director wants you to do this. I was just like, Oh shit, I need to kind of like, you know, just figure it out really quick. And you're

Mike Somerville

not reading lines through any of this. I mean, they're not having to memorize you show up. They're like, yeah, just like cruise over there and beat the shit out of somebody

Bear Williams

a couple times. They would give you the lines when you showed up in the morning. Okay, and a lot of one of the times it was like, oh, we're gonna need you to do tie lines and I'm like, No, she don't speak that much Thai right now like, Yeah, but don't worry, we'll figure it out. I'm like, davidian, you're not gonna be the one that says camera. How are we gonna figure it out? What the fuck? Give you a super complex line and you're like, but the thing is, is they give it to me. And I go, Okay, can you can you put it on like digital, so I can play it over and over and over. And I'm like, now you Give that to me go away. And then I'll sit there and just try to memorize it memorize a memory. And when I say I got it, I got it. Yeah, there was another time where I went into a commercial, and we did the tie lines. And then the director, we were in a holdout, broken down airplane at the Air Force Base. And there was a whole bunch of actors on both sides. And it was a scene where there was going to be a platoon commander, who is addressing all the people who are going to be dropping out in Japan. I

David Asavanond

saw that one. That was a good one. Yeah.

Bear Williams

So the funny thing is, is there was no lines. They did the Thai stuff, which was only like two lines. And then they came over and they said, Okay, well, now what you're going to do is you're going to give them the war speech. And I said, What? And they're like, yeah, you're gonna address them, you're gonna walk back and forth, and you're gonna address them with the war speech. And I'm like, Okay, give me the war speech. No, like, you're gonna make it up. And I was like, This is awesome. Fuck, I am sure. And they're like, yeah, yeah, the director just wants you to, you know, come up with something. And I was like, Okay, I had flashes of like Braveheart for scoring seven yet, and I kind of said, like, I'm fucking terrified now. And there's, you know, 30 people just staring at me. Wow. And I'm like, I'm the platoon commander. Like, I have to do this now. Like, what? Either I can go and cry and be like, No, no, no, wait, this is unfair. Or, or just, Alright, we're gonna battle Fuck this. Yeah, give me 30 seconds. And they're like, Okay, take as much time as you want. I said, 30 seconds. And then I walk over Exactly. And I, I stare out the window of the airplane. I love it. And I'm like, Alright, I'm going to tell these motherfuckers they're gonna die. And I'm going to tell them if they don't die. They're gonna win. And I'm just gonna fucking keep going until they tell me to stop. I'm just gonna come up. So I just turn around. And I'm like, Alright, ready when you guys are. And I just blasted out whatever I could. When it was over. Everyone that was standing on both sides. They they came up to me said like, Where did Who? One of them was like, I was scared. I don't know. You're yelling at me. I didn't know if they were shooting. I didn't know what was going on. And I'm like, they just told me to talk. They just told me to address everyone. And there was a couple of people who were like, scared, like literally scared. Because I just I had to, like, take everything out that was making me fearful. And just push it on everyone. And we

Mike Somerville

watch this somewhere like this.

Bear Williams

Yeah, pub, g pub. g mobile. It's the first like, one minute of the pub, g mobile like four minute film. There's a commercial

Dana Blouin

or Yeah,

Bear Williams

it's a commercial, but they did it as like a four minute four minute.

Mike Somerville

Like, is this up on your web YouTube channel? It's on the YouTube.

Dana Blouin

link in the show notes. Check that out.

Bear Williams

Yeah, cuz it was just like, and that was where I kind of said to myself, Oh, my God, well, if I could do that, like, you

Mike Somerville

must be like flying on it. Like on air. You must be like, this is the best fucking job I've ever had in my life. They just say walk around

Bear Williams

and like start talking. Yeah, walk around and scream at everyone. Listen, Mike, it's D day. Yeah, so this is awesome. So

Dana Blouin

that's not like I met David on a set of a movie as well. And like, we all meet babies.

Dana Blouin

I show up and they're like, David's fucking you know.

Dana Blouin

I show up and they're like, oh, you're too big, I suppose to be a referee. Right for a fight scene and a Scott Atkins film. And they're like, too big. Like, you're way bigger than Scott and the other guy just looks stupid. The director is cool guy. He directs like a lot of B movies. Was he like Norwegian or something? David Buckeye? Scandinavian. He was Dutch Dutch.

Mike Somerville

Like look my nipples have been pierced so

Dana Blouin

he's he looks like I'm like like a foot taller than Scott Atkins like 100 kilos bigger than him. He's like, You're way too big. Like it'll just look weird with you as the referee is fine whatever he's like, he's like st pay whatever but be the corner man. Yeah, he's like but now you have lines he's like your lines like Kanzi is like slick yeah go like this stupid like one line of shit. And I'm like okay whatever is like and then all of a sudden like we've never like they're they're filming like away and he's like Has anyone here ever been to away on the runway in for like multiple fights like what where should the scale be like what should Yeah, like he's like anything wrong? I was like, well, it says welterweight and then it says like, what 150 pounds. This guy's like, I don't worry about no one will notice I'm gonna get iPhones. But it was like in a badminton court in like the middle of Thailand. Yeah, but yeah, it's like it's very much like that with a guy. Everything just changes when you get there and that's human nature there. Yeah. David on a ton of lines in the book, you just have to sit there and talk into the like the announcer and then like none of his audio syncs with his video in the movie, which is hilarious. Like great audio, but like whenever they show david, that's not what he says.

Dana Blouin

Classic classic beef. So. Okay, so

Mike Somerville

then you did that. And then I mean, obviously at some point, the story is I met David right. Yeah,

Bear Williams

so I did that and a couple other like smokers in

David Asavanond

2019. When that when the commercial came out,

Bear Williams

that commercial was 2000 18 million October. Yeah. October 2018. Because then after that, I think probably, we did. Da two in February of 2019. Da two stands for double action double.

David Asavanond

What is the a really stamp? Dana? So knowing how Yeah,

Dana Blouin

Who? Who?

Dana Blouin

Yeah, you guys did so what's the

David Asavanond

word? So Oh, wait, let's backtrack a little bit. So after you did the pub g thing. Your next job was da

David Asavanond

ba ba. werewolf was at the

Bear Williams

no the werewolf I think I did first with the werewolf was after

Dana Blouin

Well, what do you guys meet on? We met

David Asavanond

on da to what is that double action to double action?

Mike Somerville

double action paint a picture for me right now. It's not like this is a PG

David Asavanond

it's a it's so it's it's the movie is about these two Chinese special ops that come to Thailand to you know, fight some bad dudes right? Soccer. Right? Exactly. Yes. And the bad dude. Yeah, I'm one of them. There are many. He's one of them. Both of you look Chinese. So you got Yeah. Like through the lenses. A huge transformation.

Dana Blouin

fix it in post.

Mike Somerville

does everything. So

David Asavanond

it's basically these two guys. They're two of them. There's double action. Two people. Chinese. It's a time movie made for like China. Chinese. Yeah, the Chinese audience. So that's, that's what I met bear. Yeah, this was early 2019. Right.

Bear Williams

Yeah, with the progression of like, what I was doing, it went from like those kind of commercials to small like four minute films. But then all of a sudden, I got recognized by someone who put me in touch with another agent that actually was looking to cast people for a movie. Okay, so I was like, Yeah, I want to do that. I didn't, I didn't have any expectation. Because I'm also pretty good at kind of thinking, like, I don't want to put myself in a place where I set up for disappointment. Sure. It's more or less like, I'm like, if I go to these things, and I fail, and I don't get picked, I don't care. Like I don't compete against other people to get jobs. I just go and I'd be myself. Yeah.

Dana Blouin

And if it works, it works.

Bear Williams

Nice. So that's I went to this casting and I kind of also thought like, you know, like hold the rocket launcher. And I'm like, how do you hold a rocket launcher? I'm like, so they

Dana Blouin

had a house in software sales.

Bear Williams

They had to teach me how to properly hold the rocket launcher. And there was again another casting and I'm I totally bombed this. I'm not probably not what they're looking for. But then they called me and said, like, Hey, we want you to be this guy, who's like, you know, a militia enforcer, for gang mafia leader. And you're gonna have to shoot a couple guns and you're gonna have to shoot a rocket launcher and I'm like, Oh, shit. Okay. Sounds like fun. Yeah. So yeah, they didn't tell me that I was going to have to have like a three minute fight scene, which when I showed up that day, they're like, okay, we're gonna start practicing the choreography. I'm like, what's the choreography? They're like, look at this video. And I'm like, two small guys doing a whole bunch of shit that I don't know if I can do now like okay, let's start. I'm

Dana Blouin

gonna get some crazy choreography. Yeah, Sarah, they're really good. Like, next topic for the

David Asavanond

fighting. So yeah, one of the one of the best in the world.

Bear Williams

Yeah, yeah. I'm looking at it. And I go, I need like three days, bro. Like, no, like, no, we're gonna shoot in like two hours. And I'm looking at your mind. But the funny thing is, is we went through a two hour two hour exercise of what we were going to do. Yeah. And then the director came in and goes, I don't want to do that. Let's gonna do this. And then he changed it

Mike Somerville

shows you another video. And you know, there was no

Bear Williams

more videos more or less like we're gonna do it this way. And it was his decision. So we basically had to kind of almost make it up on the spot.

Dana Blouin

That happened to me in a time movie where I was even didn't even know I was gonna be in a movie. I went to work out at the gym. And this kid who was an actor trained at the same gym. Thomas Ah, he shows up with a film crew. He's like, Oh, good, you're here. He's like, we're gonna film all your scenes today. I'm like all my scenes for what he's like. He's like, hey, assign this will give you 30,000 bucks. He's like, you've got lines, it does end up being this bad guy in a movie. That's it. He's like, we're gonna have a fight scene is like the worst movie ever. He's like, he had a girlfriend to financial trouble and he had to make money to save her family's farm. And so he ended up fighting tournament. And I was like the last guy. Yeah. The final boss. Yeah. So So I basically I, he's like, you have to beat me up for like four minutes. And they're covering me and like redcorn Sarah for blood. Yeah, and we're in a parking garage gym. Right. And so it's like a cage in a parking garage where we used to train and so all these mosquitoes are sticky. So this guy would come over with a he's all over this guy would come over with a bucket of water. He's like stand outside and throw the bucket of water on me and then they just scrub all the mosquitoes off the corn syrup. And they put more corn Sarah balmy between seems Jesus but so this I beat him up for like three, like three fights in this mood like

Mike Somerville

physically like, are you we just like do this like near his face and pull back. So we

Dana Blouin

fight against the cage and like hit him in the body and soft. Okay, but like the firt like the very first fighter has like one punch. It was against some Tiger like, just walk out punch him and he'll drop and that's it. Yeah.

Mike Somerville

And you physically hit him?

Dana Blouin

No, I don't the way they came over and show me like the way they shoot it. It's like at a certain angle. You miss his face. And then they add the sounds in afterwards. And then like the first time I did though, I made the sound like like, No, no, no, no, no. So he drops. That's the first one. I had another one that was a little bit more complicated. But with him with the guy who was like the star of the film, his name was bomb. And like it was like four minutes. And they but we filmed for like three hours.

Unknown Speaker

Yeah, no, yeah. Even

Bear Williams

though was that they came up to you were like, Hey, we're gonna do this new like, okay,

Dana Blouin

yeah, yeah.

Dana Blouin

Like his 30,000 baht. I'm like, okay, but like sign this. I'm like,

Mike Somerville

no briefcases full of drugs. I'm good. I'll do anything.

Dana Blouin

A truck pulls up like it backs up the the walkway. Like, I'm like how this truck and on the walkway, that pickup truck backs up. And they're unloading lights and they get a generator. And then the guy who owns the gym, he's like, oh, okay, okay. He's just gonna say, okay, okay.

David Asavanond

Yeah, there's not as much red tape as in the West. That's easy. You know? Like, if you had to do something like like this in America, you'd be like, okay, you know, first we got it so that we can get the permits, we'll come talk to my boss who's gonna talk to his boss and then talk to his boss and, and then we're gonna see like, at what time of the day you can do this. And then you know, you get assigned this form. What are your safety things? And then what are the equipment? It's like, holy goddamn Christ for getting anything done.

Mike Somerville

I was an extra on Veronica Mars, which is a show that they shot in San Diego. Okay. And it was the same, the same company basically seagull productions, the same company that basically did the big Titanic scene down to Mexico. Well, anyway, so they're doing this thing. And man, I was just an extra and you're not kidding. I had to show up. I mean, we ate in a Sept they fed me like I got there like 10 in the morning. I didn't leave till four in the morning. Wow, we had this one scene where it was like we had to bring in like they found that I wrote because, you know, I don't know if you do this here. I had to fill out a website of like, all the shit that I had. So they're like, Okay, well, I've got a unicycle. I own a classic Volkswagen bug. I have a Land Rover. And I can do this I can do and they're like, Alright, cool. Come in. But it was very similar to what you guys are talking about. After all the fucking paperwork. I'm like, you're gonna give me $100? Yeah, yeah, it was fun. It gives you about me, but it was but you're not kidding. I mean, it is like what you're describing. I'm thinking, dude, there's like 10 X the amount of time that was necessary to be a guy in the background.

Dana Blouin

Yeah, yeah, I had to learn Titley the same as you. I had to learn tie lines on the day of that the thing where they showed up the gym. He's like, are these are all your tie lines? And there was like a girl coaching me through it. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, these are like really long, long. Like, I lived here for like, a year at this point. I'm like, I don't know, any tie. And like, they're like, Alright, just she's like, we'll go line by line directors like I will shoot it and we'll cut and we'll we'll do stop. He's like, so we'll just record line by line. I'm like, and then I one of them. I looked at the cares like Oh, look at the camera. Do it. What are you doing? I'm like, like, just got here. pressure. They took they took a paper plate and they they taped it on the cage. He's like, look here. Put two eyes on it and everything. And it's like it was like there was like, a guess like, I don't know, like I was supposed to be implying in Thai that my character raped the main character's girlfriend and I was like, whatever. It's a movie like that's

Mike Somerville

not acting.

Dana Blouin

But yeah, this is finally film like, but I ended up being there all night. I was just definitely A one hour workout. Like I got home and I remember messaging Jim and I was like I was in a movie today. It was

Mike Somerville

like corn syrup while working out.

Unknown Speaker

Fucking

Mike Somerville

rape a girl Wait, I'm reading this now.

Bear Williams

I had the same thing where I was cast for TV series Guy TV series. I had no idea what was going on. And I show up in the first thing they said to me, oh, you're here, okay, and I walk over and they're like, today, um, you're gonna be the rapist. And I was like,

David Asavanond

I saw that one too. in that restaurant?

Dana Blouin

Yeah,

Bear Williams

they're like, Are you okay with it? I'm like rapists. What do you mean the rapist like what like To what degree Am I raping keep my pants Oh yeah, explain a little bit more. But it was basically I had a cost this girl who was like a shop owner okay and kind of like give her the Hey baby and then have a guy come in and save her right we go into this you know, Raul tussle? Yeah, and then I get my act tricked. Yeah, I get my ass kicked and run away like a bitch. Right? Which is fine. I don't care about being a bitch. But the thing is, I was like, Alright, I need to make a critical decision about whether or not I want to portray a rapist. Yeah, I wasn't prepared to think about that.

Mike Somerville

Really. So that mean that you're thinking like long term you're like man if I get stereotyped as it is the rapist actor American guy

Bear Williams

more so it was my kind of like American morality, okay, kind of like got in there and was just like, do you not even thinking about the future? Or do you want to be a rapist? Like, and I was like, when they discussed that it wasn't to the degree of being like not real. It's not a real it's not real rape. rapist,

David Asavanond

you know exactly. No, I saw that. But it didn't come anything close to raping. No comes in. He's like, I'm American. And I

Bear Williams

need some you're stumped. Yeah, but he was posted.

David Asavanond

Last kid, there was nothing about it. He's just uh, he was just being harassing.

Dana Blouin

Now. I have a few agents who whenever they need like, there's whenever there's like a listing for a fat guy, nerdy guy or creepy guy. I get like a message on Facebook from like three different agents like, like, Hey, are you free? And like sometimes they're like, they're like no casting. They already saw your photos. You're good. I showed up for like wardrobe. And it's like, they give you your like the screw your character thing. It's like fat man.

Dana Blouin

You guys you're talking about all

Mike Somerville

these scenarios just kind of fell in your lap. I mean, are

Dana Blouin

you I don't I don't even like occasionally. agents in Thailand. I'll like respond to a thing. And like, I was like, Hey, I'm interested in bears actually messaged me and like, hey, actually send them stuff. Because if you just say you're interested, they won't give a fuck. Okay, that's one. Yeah, but nine times out of 10. It's like them, like sending me a thing. Like, hey, we need a fat white dude, who's in Bangkok. You're a fat white dude in Bangkok? Will you show up and do this part? Yeah. And, like once, like, I did one as a commercial for Poland. And they want to wear this pink Speedo. Huge, huge sunglasses. And they gave me like a size M buttoned up Hawaiian shirt. And like, That is awesome. Like I'm walking they brought us all out to patio for a couple days. Or like outside patio and like I'm we're filming on the beach. At one point they put like, I had to film a scene in the ocean. And like I said, like jump out of the waves and like, oh, like this. They've got they're filming the commercial on a red weapon, which is like, you know, a 12 K camera I think like a film's in 12 K. And so they put it in this big condom thing and it zips up. And there's two guys holding the fucking camera out in the fucking ocean. And waves crashing over he has cut this vital fucking case on it.

Mike Somerville

You're jumping around as

Dana Blouin

I'm jumping in the waves. They're strong right so I'm getting pushed out of position we had to keep filming it over and over. But like literally like they'd squirt me with baby oil and like I'm walking down the beach

Mike Somerville

This is the LM FAO video Sexy and I Know it are you like

Dana Blouin

it's something similar and then there's like there's like some jack dude there is like his job was just to sit there with binoculars and lifeguard chair like check you out. They filmed they filmed him for like two minutes like a done yeah, then like we're just hanging out in the pool the rest of the day.

Mike Somerville

This is crazy. I got here in November so I haven't been here a year yet. It sounds like after you're here a year. If you're a white dude with potentially a beard. You're gonna get an acting gig so I'm gonna I'm screwed.

Dana Blouin

So but like they're gonna be like don't shave like obviously I get typecast like they're just like Fat Fat guy. creepy guy nerdy guy boom call call that data dude. It'll show up. That's

Mike Somerville

crazy. All right. So you guys the DA two thing you meet? Yeah. Where's it was it because you met fighting? Are you do you just like no lines to go?

Bear Williams

I was on set and we were hanging out just waiting because there's so much a lot of downtime. Super. And David showed up because he's a big star and you come whenever you want when

Mike Somerville

you like it. main character and this

David Asavanond

morning I just like him when

Bear Williams

when David came in he, I mean, a lot of people know you because there's a like a lot of people who are in industry and regular. So you came in it was almost like a little bit of a homecoming because you know many of the people yeah, I being extremely knew I was just kind of I didn't know anybody and I didn't know David when he came in. But when David walked in, there was something about him not even just as openness, but he had a kind of like an evenness. I don't want to say anything bad about people in acting or, but there's a lot of insecurity and I can sense because as a salesperson, like you can sense the

Mike Somerville

charity take advantage of it.

Bear Williams

Yeah, well not even take advantage of it. You can sense it and kind of like just classify

Dana Blouin

it's also like a genuine like, when I first met David, the same thing, like he comes across as genuine right away,

Bear Williams

right away, right away, right? You don't have to guess as to who he is

Dana Blouin

everyone, like my experience was, it might have been the same as yours. Everyone else at this movie was kind of like, sort of like playing chess. They're positioning themselves and doing stuff. And David's like, Hey, what's up? You know, like, just, he'll bullshit with you. Yeah. And, you know, we ended up having a conversation. And it was like, right away. We were talking about like, something extremely existential. Yeah. The life and life in the universe. And I was just like, he's a very cool guy. Yeah.

Bear Williams

And then later on in the evening, he's like, you want you want a ride home? And I was like, No, I'm gonna take a cab. Well, it's not anything bad. It was just like, Alright, I'm gonna, I'm gonna see what he's like, the next time. And every single time since then. I mean, like, he's just, like you said, genuine and authentic to who he is. So I connected with him on that level.

Mike Somerville

And you guys have been like, kind of a team ever since. I mean, are you really like going with

David Asavanond

the amazing thing that came out of that? That meeting between Barry and I? No less than what came out between you and I? Yeah, it sounds so so gay. But it's so great. You

Dana Blouin

know, it's basically the same thing. We caught our van together. And we just had a fantastic conversation. Yeah, I was like, do you want to hang out sometime?

David Asavanond

Like do you want to hang out? Sup? Do you want to hang out some

Dana Blouin

so bad? Bottom data? I can do both. Yeah.

David Asavanond

They're very open mind. Yes.

Dana Blouin

Tony, by the way, he said that.

Mike Somerville

Tony huge. You're a Dr. Tony. Huge Anthony. Who's

David Asavanond

I think you guys talked about

David Asavanond

it. So um, so you know, Dana, Dana, say, well, you want to hang out sometimes a year? Sure. So we grabbed the lunch one time and then we just been friends ever since. It's kind

Mike Somerville

of like you. I mean, I think you know, guys that like just mesh right? Like you and I met for coffee. And then you left and we got contact info. Awesome. And then you're like, Hey, you know what? You've been here a while do a podcast. So we come in here and we just shoot the shit. Great. Yeah, it was just like we just like hanging out. So I mean, I think that that's how certainly good acquaintance ships. Yeah. And then it rolls into friendship. Yeah, exactly. I can trust this guy. He's fucking hilarious. But he's not an asshole. Yeah. All right. So you're so by that time your career was like you were well known.

Dana Blouin

David's the Daniel Day Lewis of Thailand. Jesus. Listen, he hates when I say that. But it's true.

Mike Somerville

No, I honestly, I don't know. Either. You don't have

David Asavanond

the right to know. It's okay. Mike,

Mike Somerville

are you? Are you a well known actor in Thailand? I mean, can you know you know what that means? Right? It sounds

Dana Blouin

like you hate David Do you don't like talking about David is one of my closest friends in the world. He hates the idea of fame and celebrity. But he's, he's very David's a craftsman. Yeah, he's very good at what he does. He doesn't give a fuck about celebrity. He drives just like bear came in the paychecks of David didn't have the car today. If it wasn't rainy season. Yeah. David would have rolled up on his little scupi I was

David Asavanond

like up Isaac great. Yes. I have like a scooter kind of thing. Yeah,

Dana Blouin

David's like super chill. He's got like, 27 pomeranians. Righty fucking

David Asavanond

Yeah, contrary to the way I look. People think I own rock violence and guns and shit. But Tommy's

Dana Blouin

Yeah, they're fucking awesome. Yeah, they were here for New Years. Yeah, they

Dana Blouin

didn't use it. I did.

David Asavanond

Okay, good. Yeah, I was afraid you might have thrown it away like an angel. Bet none of us fucking music. I like clean.

Dana Blouin

No, but this is what happened. Right? That's why it was so funny on New Year's bear and I split a edible. And bears like bears. Like we should do like a quarter each. I'm like, Yeah, but that's hard math. Let's just fuckin split it down the middle and there's like, okay, it fucking hit me. Why I said a quarter was because we should have taken a quarter. Yeah. Like a half bears like, bears like, okay.

Bear Williams

It's funny when the guy that doesn't know clouds your judge? Yeah. And you're like, Alright, well, if he wants to go there.

Dana Blouin

Everything was fucking hilarious. Like, I'm like, I like just throw it away.

Dana Blouin

Fun bears like Baidu

Dana Blouin

to David's like,

David Asavanond

That was funny. Yeah. So um, yeah, just going back to that that meeting, you know, it's like you put it beautifully. We said it queenship turns into friendship eventually. Because there's so little of the ass holiness. Yeah. You know, or just like that pure genuineness that you that you find where a lot of the asshole in this? Yeah, how you look at it

Bear Williams

together Yeah, I consider him an East coaster because of the fact that like he spent time in Boston, he was in New York, and I don't

Dana Blouin

know that shared experience.

Bear Williams

Yeah, it those places, for better or for worse change people. And I don't mean it change people, in a sense that like, they mold them. There's something that you take away from that, like a university or college like, you learn something there. And it provides like a commonality. So I had in Thailand, hadn't come in contact with anybody like that. And the fact that you're Thai, and the fact that you also speak other languages. It was just there was a lot of things that I was kind of like, wow, he's really interesting. And I had no idea of his level of talent in acting nor celebrity Okay, so I didn't kind of like, try to become friends with him because I wanted to be part of something that I didn't sense that it was genuine.

Dana Blouin

Fuck you were saying when I look at it, like cuz I don't watch time movies. And yeah, I didn't even know about the countdown until like, we hung out a few times. They're like, hey, check out this movie.

Bear Williams

Well, I also too, I watch countdown I think like a year after you met

Dana Blouin

it Don't fucking movie. They're very, very good. I thought the whole thing was in New York City built it in fuckin soundstage out and like, in a lot powers on Sean Murray.

Dana Blouin

But it made it had the feet It looks like a shitty New York apartment.

Bear Williams

100%.

Mike Somerville

So the relationship is obviously is growing like crazy. Yeah, your careers are both you know, grown like crazy. In the last year and a half, right? I mean,

Bear Williams

I it's funny too, because I feel the same way. Like, I don't have a career yet. And when I've done I've done some TV commercials, and I've done some cool shit. I've done some stuff in China for a really like a household kind of like appliance company where I actually they dressed me up as a giant werewolf. And I've done two installments of that. Okay. And it was, it was another thing too, where they're like, we're gonna put makeup on you, but it's gonna be like, you have to sit in this chair for five hours. I'm like, Yeah, my shoes, alright, do it. And they're like, then it's gonna be bad. And I'm like, No, it won't be I'll be having trouble, just do it. I considered that. But the thing is that once you get in it, then you got to be. So there's, it's a, it's a test of will again to, we have to just be okay with it. And then ended up where I did it one year. And it went so smooth for them that they were so astonished by it that they're like, we want you to do it again. Because I just like a winner and I go into a zone and I'm like, you could do whatever you want to me and I

Dana Blouin

yeah, if that's what it takes. Thank God, I got my makeup.

Unknown Speaker

Chair, close your eyes and just go to sleep. Yeah.

David Asavanond

Yeah, so yeah, yeah, go ahead. We're done. Sorry.

Unknown Speaker

No, no, but I've done I've never done

Dana Blouin

you start

Mike Somerville

another four hour podcast.

Bear Williams

But everything is kind of progressed from me. So I don't look into this. I don't have a body of work. I have a train of things that have happened that hopefully will lead someplace, you know, continually cooler and cooler and cool. you're digging this like

Mike Somerville

and again, you wake up in the morning. You're like born for this.

David Asavanond

Yeah. And you know, so after we met on double anal two, sorry, two we've gotten there's nothing wrong with it. you're into that kind of thing. It's all good. I don't judge but you know, like we we've hung out a lot because we have that bond. It's the same thing that you and I hung out a lot after we first met each other you got busy with the whole sewing shit And as it turned gay, I'm like, Okay.

Mike Somerville

That guy got this video. No believe it

David Asavanond

and then he The thing is with what's amazing with Dana says he sees a true entrepreneur. So he got his hands on so many different things. And I was confused at some point. Like, what do you do? Exactly? Yeah, so yeah, I'm a consultant for this company thing I am for whatever

Dana Blouin

the case

Unknown Speaker

is a fucking cold though.

David Asavanond

I went over them and I think when I went to have lunch with you that one time I'm like, Dude, this is like a building of cultists. Yes, I get some some something like that

Mike Somerville

paying

Dana Blouin

money. Fuck time.

David Asavanond

Yeah. So they're paying into they're paying good money. But you know, like Dana's smarter than that. So he knows how to balance his play. But you know, he was doing that. And then he's like, I'm starting. This is the sewing thing and I'm doing the podcast thing and then doing something with Malaysia that want to do something with the Martians, and you know something on Saturday. Go to the fucking sun, and I'm gonna take over the whole fucking universe. And I'm like, Jesus, what do you do? Exactly? Yeah, I'm gonna sell my ass on the side by the way, you know?

Dana Blouin

That's what the real money is. exactly who that cushy white boy class

David Asavanond

good insertion no pun intended. Very good. Oh, yeah. But uh, so so he got he got really busy with shit and then I started getting busy with my shit. And then I landed on a on bear so bear and I ended I landed on Yeah, fingers figuratively. I wonder he asked you for that right.

Mike Somerville

Plenty of room in there.

David Asavanond

Actually my cars really small.

Dana Blouin

But we can make things which makes it difficult to escape. Yeah.

Mike Somerville

Why did you lock the doors? Trust me. It's very dangerous. I'm tired. Don't fuck with

Bear Williams

me. I'm like, he's really nice. And the New Yorker in me is like, we don't take rides with strange.

Mike Somerville

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're not mascot. Chicks all fucking day long. I'm getting your fee arrow.

Dana Blouin

Girl you want me to get back? Man.

Dana Blouin

You've got drinks back here for me.

David Asavanond

That's not laced with anything. It's just water. Just take it. Yeah.

Dana Blouin

This water tastes funny. For

Mike Somerville

half an edible Fuck

Unknown Speaker

this. Let's go.

David Asavanond

So bad I've gotten we've been getting closer. And we hung out a lot. And then you know, we we tell we chat a lot online. Like we we fucking it's like, such a fucking crazy. And I laugh out loud when I you know, so we bonded a lot. And so the cool thing with with da two brought a new very, very good friend into my life. And like to be honest with you, 2019 the highlight of 2019 was having bear and through my life, you know, it was it was a new friend. You know, we had a crazy as bond. And and it's not just a friend, we have this brotherly thing going on. And

Mike Somerville

the word the passion for the craft? And

David Asavanond

yeah, exactly. So as if it's meant to be so beginning of 2019 we did a movie together. And then you know, we became friends. We grew closer and at the end of 2019 we were casting the same movie, right? So yeah, it's fucking insane. You know, we, we were

Bear Williams

someone asked me to come in for a casting. And I kind of was like, Alright, and I did the casting. It went horribly, it was for something for Netflix. And then I just said to myself, I'm like, you know what, these people should be connected with David. And I just kind of said to them, you know, like, I'm gonna send you an email with my friend stuff. You might know who he is. Because the casting people are Thai. And I'm like, I just think that, like, if you're going through these types of roles and things, you should definitely consider him and they're like, Okay, well, you know, let us know. And I sent the email. And then I think that they might have contacted you, but it just seemed like it was very short. Like it was like, you know, nothing. And David said to me, he's like, you know what, I reached out to them and you know, it's just it's probably not going to go anywhere. And I said, you never know if there's something in the future just kind of be patient and maybe something will happen. And then within a couple of weeks, or maybe a month, they contacted me for another project. And they also contacted David and we both went through the process separately with the same casting and ended up getting on the same picture. Yeah, which is which is tremors

Dana Blouin

76 shot here

David Asavanond

probably tremors 7000

Mike Somerville

Yeah, this time it's personal.

Mike Somerville

bodyguard but

Unknown Speaker

got the tagline

Dana Blouin

Well, they change the name right they change the name speaker Island. Yeah.

Bear Williams

From Island fury. Yeah. Trigger Island.

David Asavanond

Yeah. So bear and I and two other very good friends. were cast Randy and people Randy people. And Mike is also from the Yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. That's right. Fuck. I had a huge fight scene with Mikey. Yeah. So three of our very good friends or who became our good friends. I knew people who saw Chuck he's a pretty famous Thai actor has been in a whole bunch of Hollywood movies and foreign movies and stuff like that. Randy's new p Mikey's. Yeah, he's a little experienced, but you know, he's getting getting deeper into it now. So Mikey and Randy are musicians.

Mike Somerville

And they're musicians too. Yeah. These Thai guys are these also guys that came over from Randy's English.

David Asavanond

Yeah.

Bear Williams

And Mikey is Thai.

David Asavanond

Half African American half Thai half. Yeah. And Randy is Indian descent. Okay, this Yeah. And these

Mike Somerville

guys are in tremors with you

David Asavanond

and they're all in Thailand. Now. Yeah.

Mike Somerville

When's this come out? I mean, we can't tell

David Asavanond

the 20th October not next month. Yeah. October 23. Awesome.

Bear Williams

I heard last night from people that

David Asavanond

so we all hung out last night. Okay. Yeah. So as to what the other three guys we hung out and it was it was fun, man.

Bear Williams

They said something about the 28th. It might be like

Mike Somerville

a Halloween October

Bear Williams

28. It might be we'd also don't know If the release date is the same for Thailand as in the US,

David Asavanond

yes.

Bear Williams

Okay, got it. All right. It's gonna be sometime in October.

Mike Somerville

But Netflix is coming. It's not theaters is in theaters. No, it's not. Okay, so people can watch it like right away.

Dana Blouin

And nothing's in there. Well, what that one movie is in theaters now. I haven't seen it. I need this. I need to see. I want to see that to someone

Mike Somerville

that should tend to live. Is that like a new? Like a sci fi? Is it just

David Asavanond

a new Norland? Yeah, Nolan's shit, you just gotta watch. Yeah, you can't pass. You know, you can't pass on that. But yeah, so um, so it was it was meant to be, you know, that's the thing

Bear Williams

is that it was this. I don't know if you call it like visualization. But I, you know, I kind of wanted to be in another movie with him. Because we we were in the DA too. But it was only like, I think like two or three shooting days that we were together. Maybe more four or five. Yeah. But the thing was, is that experience was so good. I was saying, I want to make it happen again, I want to make it happen again. So anytime I saw opportunities, I was throwing a madam saying let's see if we can push it. And I know it's a long shot. But just let's see if we can make it happen. And literally, within a couple months, we made it happen again.

Mike Somerville

Now is this rare in the biz? I mean, you talk about it, like it's awesome. And it's it is which but that means it's just like, yeah, you know, I meet one bear, like every five years once every 10 years if I'm lucky. I'm no, it doesn't happen every day. Of course not. Right. But it's like rare. I mean, it's rare. Yeah. Is it? Okay,

David Asavanond

yeah. How rare to be on the same project, like twice. It's very, very rare, extremely rare. And unless unless they're looking for the same types, yeah, to be together on this on a particular movie. But you know,

Bear Williams

two different types. Yeah. And I don't speak fluent Thai. So like, a lot of the projects that he's going to be on right, I won't qualify. Yeah.

Dana Blouin

And I'm not I met beer through David, obviously. But the first time we met was at wrestling, right? Yes. Yeah. So I got them. I introduced David to and they're not around anymore. So it's split into two different organizations right. Now set up and top dojo. But so I introduced David's legato move, which is like this a little tie pro wrestling. And then the next thing is like, I got to bring some other friends. He's like, I got a guy. I want you to me it was bear and bear. I guess you didn't know what to expect, right? No idea. And so like, keep in mind everyone there is like tie, like soup like and like there's a bunch of like big white dudes. And there's that other guy the African dude came a Willie, Willie Willie. So like we're all in you know, we're all there. And everyone with us. Our group is like huge, right? Right. We're taking up like a whole row. And they start the show with this. This lip synching sort of dancing group called pro wrestling. Yeah, they come out dressed in like, like Japanese girl band. Yeah. Japanese arranger. Like all 15 like a cabaret show. like everything's in check. And they lip sync. They lipstick Japanese pop song circus. And there's no rain. Weird. So there's no rain. Japanese style wrestling. So they wrestle on a mat. Weird. Okay, and so it's like this big purple mat in the middle of the keybank Theater up in Siam. Square. One. No ropes.

Bear Williams

No. Nothing like the people around them with the rope.

Mike Somerville

Yeah. So your feet there's this purple thing? Yeah.

Dana Blouin

Yeah. So they bring these girls out, right? There's like, six of them or something five of them. And they just start They dance and they sing and then it's one as a grown man. Yeah, like literally like for me to David. It's like yeah, like sweet. So as real as a grown man is one of the most uncomfortable thing, man that you could ever explain. Like, no

David Asavanond

icon.

Dana Blouin

Like, one of them's like, I fucking bear. I have a video on my phone from when we went somewhere. Dancing here. Like there's gonna clenched fist and like his leg is shaking, and he's looking down.

Mike Somerville

There like 13 Yeah, okay, so you like

Dana Blouin

it's like

Bear Williams

20 year old men that are singing the

Dana Blouin

song. Yeah.

Bear Williams

I'm looking down at Dana like, this is so uncomfortable.

David Asavanond

But that's the reaction I had when he brought me there. I'm like, Dude, what is? This is weird. Yeah, I think they make eye contact.

Dana Blouin

Girls like I fucking dress skip. I mean, yeah, we're like Japanese schoolgirl. Yes.

Dana Blouin

You can imagine right? I would there was a joke.

Bear Williams

But yeah, when they turn around the hearts would go like this. Yeah. And I'm just kind of sitting on like, how

Bear Williams

we're in the middle of the metoo movement. And it's like, yeah,

Dana Blouin

like the dude like the nerdy dudes are like singing along like, this one chubby dude with glasses and he's like crying Yeah.

Unknown Speaker

This happens regularly.

Dana Blouin

Every like couple months they would do a show on COVID. No show. And then in a mall, definitely be. Pretty sure it might be where it started. And then they have like, because it's one strong style. So which is a Japanese style of wrestling, so they take hits very hard, okay, and because you're like they do the slaps to the chest and everything, but then because there's only two women wrestlers and they can't always wrestle each other. They'll have like, intergender matches and all that stuff is normally women wrestling. There's only two Thai women wrestlers, okay? Normally it's a man on the ships in, in Blue Lotus, okay, and so they can't fight each other every week. So they can't bring a girl in from outside of Thailand, that she's wrestling one of the dudes.

Mike Somerville

And it's I mean that it's still like, you know, the similar way to know

Dana Blouin

those like heavyweight dudes and like, they still do like full on slaps to the chest and it's fun. It's

Bear Williams

a category This

Dana Blouin

is when they start doing again, I'll bring you

Mike Somerville

clearly Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I want to sit in the front row. So

Dana Blouin

you know, there's only two rows further away is like five,

Mike Somerville

either staring at 13 year olds or I got gay guys that I'm sitting next to you like that.

Unknown Speaker

13 year olds. Wait a second.

Dana Blouin

Yeah, so

Dana Blouin

but it's a good time. Clearly, I've also interpreted I've flown to Malaysia because I love Malaysian pro wrestling. Like that organization. They have a ring and it's a little bit more like WWE style with them. They cut promos and stuff. I've gone down there I love their shows. But obviously like the local gotta move stuff for that. Now the setup in the top dojo. Know this so good. The characters are good. I mean, like, I'm sure I'm surprised you've never seen that dude. Golem, because he's a bodybuilder.

Bear Williams

No. I know him. If I saw him. He has

Dana Blouin

the fitting long hair. Looks like he used a lot of gear for a long time. Ah, is he a tiger?

Bear Williams

Yeah, sure. I think I think he might have been because

Dana Blouin

we went twice didn't Yeah,

Bear Williams

yeah. I think he might have been at the second one.

Dana Blouin

Yeah. Usually Brussels everyone. Okay. He's like one of the main guys like Golem and peanuts.

David Asavanond

Yeah.

Dana Blouin

I remember the one. That was the good doctor. Yeah, he's from Singapore.

Bear Williams

Yeah, Dr. Gore. And then that was it was a couple guys in the Japanese mass. They came out of the stands in the back. That

David Asavanond

was a fun. That was a fun, man. Yeah.

Dana Blouin

That's so good. Yeah, I went to their very last show where they did like a, they did a royal rumble of like the history of wrestling and they came out as different characters. And it was just insane. And like there was spoofing on Thai pop culture. And it was fun.

Bear Williams

I had a great time, but it was so fucking uncomfortable. The biggest thing

Dana Blouin

is like when they brought the girls out the beginning of me.

Bear Williams

I'm looking at these guys going like what did you get me into? And then you send me later on the video? Yeah, like I'm just saying like, Yeah, of course. Like I'm sitting there trying to get

Dana Blouin

your leg was shaking.

Bear Williams

And everyone's packed together. And you were so

Dana Blouin

rad on so sitting on a bench here, a wooden bench job.

Dana Blouin

There's no extra air in that. It's like high school theater. Right? So it's like a it's like a bench covered in carpet.

Mike Somerville

And you've got Japanese non Japanese people. No, no, it's all Thai. Oh, it's all time but it's a Japanese perform. So

Dana Blouin

it's a no, it's a Japanese Gato moves to the Japanese organization. Okay. And so what happened was they were sort of like a licensee of the Gotham was brand for Thailand. But that ended because of like business things. And so when that ended, they split into two organizations. Okay, so the guy who promoted Gotham moves, he started an organization called startup, startup setup setup, pro wrestling. And then all the main guys like a peanuts Golem Gypsy. They laughed with some of the newer guys and they started a place called top dojo. And one of the wrestlers arm. He kind of like he had a building where he had a gym. And so they moved it into that it's out on the airport Rail Link, I went to their first show. It was like Raiders COVID was hitting and they didn't cancel. So everyone was wearing a mask. But um, yeah, so it's I'm excited to see what happens as they you know, as they come back,

Mike Somerville

because it is starting to come back.

Dana Blouin

Yeah. And I mean, as a geek and a pro wrestling guy like I just I love the novelty of the way they do it with the mat and yeah, and everything. Is this a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to it. Yeah,

Mike Somerville

it's good to be here. Definitely. Absolutely. Alright, so from tremors Right. I mean, you guys that take took what like six months? Eight months to shoot.

David Asavanond

No, no, not even two months. Two months. One and a half. One and a half?

Dana Blouin

Well, I mean, I don't know pre production. They shoot movies quick here. Yeah, yeah, I remember hard target to that mean you met on I talked to the woman for days. Just kidding. No, no. We shot at exaggerating, we shot an 18 hour day. But I was talking to the the woman who was like the, the production manager from America. And she said they had shot the whole movie in 32 days non stop. Wow. And that's on three different locations around Thailand. That's brutal. That's fast.

Bear Williams

I was there for two weeks. And I think that there might have been pre production like three weeks prior, but most of the actors were there for a month.

Dana Blouin

Yeah. So she said the same they do. They'll do pre and post for B roll and uncut ins. But everything like anything with dialogue, or an actor was shot in that 30 something days, and just non stop everyday, no breaks. It's crazy. Like, they were hustling. They had a huge team, and they were hustling like every single day. So there's a lot of them. I mean, not in a bad way, pressure, but there's a lot of good people, but they were definitely moving. Yeah.

Mike Somerville

So what's the next step? I mean, that was a while ago, what have you guys been up to now? Can you say? I mean, is there new stuff coming out that

David Asavanond

we can say?

David Asavanond

Nothing.

Mike Somerville

Really? softball question.

Dana Blouin

Didn't work for a long time.

David Asavanond

Yeah. 2019 was a rough year for me. I didn't have a lot of work. It's all circumstantial. Obviously. Sometimes there's just no roles for someone like me, right. But you know, luckily, I had the the double action to tremors. I had a couple of times series that I did. Yeah, that's about it. But this year has been more. It's been more prolific. So it's I'm doing Okay, awesome. Is it doing much better, despite COVID despite COVID? So during COVID? Obviously, we didn't do anything. And as soon as the lockdown was lifted, boom. Yeah, exactly. Good for you and stuff. That's great. Yeah. So maybe I have I might have maybe a couple more things on the horizon. I don't know yet. But my last shooting day of the last production I'm a part of is on the 10th of September. Then after that I'm jobless. You directed

Dana Blouin

something here too, right.

David Asavanond

Yes, yes, I co directed a movie called laser candy. I also wanted to I want to bear to be in that movie, too. But there's some complications. So he couldn't see a tie. Oh, that was it? Yeah, he wasn't he wasn't, he wasn't a tie. And the big producer wanted it to be like close to an all tie cast. So yeah, I co directed that.

Mike Somerville

What is something called laser candy about? I mean, what is it about? Yeah,

David Asavanond

well, it's about so the place? Well, the story takes place in the near future, okay, where everything every single building is controlled by an AI. Everybody has an AI, every apartment building has an AI. It's centralized. And it takes care of all of the tenants and you know, people and even in an office building, all the people in the rooms, they're all taken care of by like, essential AI. And so basically, there's a rogue program, there's a rogue AI, who falls in love of that falls in love with the main female character whose name

Mike Somerville

candy,

David Asavanond

no laser can his name the building, laser camp, that's what happens. Okay. So and then, you know, there's also the the male lead, he's a bit of a dick, you know, he's very full of himself. He has a first date with a female care with the lead of the female lead. And then it just goes sour. And then he and then something happens where people inside the building, they start to detect that the building is going rogue, so they call in the male lead to come in and to fix the problem right now. What happens is there's while he's fixing the problem, that giveaway I'm not giving away okay, yeah, I'm not giving away anything. That's that's, that happens. That happens within the first kind of 15 minutes. I'll move anyway. So what happens is, we goes in to fix the problem, right? And somehow the AI inhabits all possesses the male lead God. So now he's gonna try to win over the woman who had a bad first date with the guy so so you can imagine the dilemma, and I'll leave the rest to whenever it comes. It's

Dana Blouin

kind of like a cyberpunk thing.

David Asavanond

No, not even not even. It's not even that far down the line. It's just Yeah, something that happens. That's something that could possibly happen within like a very, very close future coming

Mike Somerville

out on Netflix or

David Asavanond

on No, it's gonna be a theatrical release in Thailand and in China.

Dana Blouin

Nice. Yeah. In English or in Thai or Thai. You know,

David Asavanond

that obviously, they're gonna dub into Chinese or

Dana Blouin

whatever. You know, what's crazy is I did a, I was a design consultant on a smart city project. We're developing

Unknown Speaker

a Yeah.

Dana Blouin

Yeah.

Dana Blouin

Yeah, so like, I designed something similar. Yeah. It was actually, one of the project. One of the projects that we pitch on I was design consultant was a building that had its own sort of integrated systems, and was gonna like kind of take care of the rest of it, where they just like, Look,

Mike Somerville

no matter what happens, there's

Dana Blouin

like, Fuck this. I'm out of here.

Mike Somerville

She cannot fall in love with the AI or whatever you need to do data, but there's no

Dana Blouin

theory. about the future.

Bear Williams

That if you work for a company say something like Facebook a certain point, because everyone is working from home, the apartment buildings will be owned by the corporations. And then the AI's can be integrated into those apartment buildings, then everyone that's in there is working for the company. But basically, they're taken care of so they don't ever have to leave. Yeah, right. I see that more as like the future where you can have everyone centralized. And they don't actually leave. Well, that's Google, right? I mean, everything

Dana Blouin

happens on the campus with

Bear Williams

Google is like, what I think the largest iteration of it is now. But I think it's going to become a certain situation where if you live in a high rise, Facebook owns a high rise, everyone who lives is a Facebook employee, then given the fact that otherwise, with everyone going to like zoom meetings and stuff like that, one of the biggest problems with that is you lose control. Yeah. But if everyone lives in your building, you still have your zoom meetings yet, then you can also keep control of people. Because if they fuck up, you kick them out. Yeah. So it is more of a I mean, hard to say totalitarian kind of way of ruling a corporation. But that's exactly what I think it's moving towards.

Mike Somerville

Well, what is funny is just me is I

David Asavanond

agree with you. It's a it's a very scary future. Yeah.

Bear Williams

Well, scary. You know, the thing is, is if you work for a great company, it sounds like a fucking great right nation, because you're catered to in every possible way.

Mike Somerville

I can bring my dog

Bear Williams

breakfast, lunch, dinner, there's danger in that shadow, your eye cleaning, is that the it becomes a form of slavery.

David Asavanond

I was gonna say that,

Bear Williams

yeah, you can leave it nor can you challenge the narrative that the company takes on, right? Because they make you Yeah, when the minute you challenge the narrative, yeah. Gonna be like, Alright, you're out. Yeah. And not only you're out, your kids are out, your wife is out your dogs. Everyone's in the street. Go pick up your shit at the dumpster. Like,

Mike Somerville

and you lose your job and you lose your house.

David Asavanond

Usually you lose your life. Yeah.

Bear Williams

Yeah. So I mean, like scan. And that's, that's kind of a very creepy futures. But when you look at the momentum of things,

Dana Blouin

there's been watching a bit too much black mirror?

Bear Williams

Well, I kind of I always try to think about what's happening now is great, and people can argue about that. But that's not what's important. It's where it's going. Yeah. And the other thing that I really kind of find very strange is that if you look at the top 10 cities in America, they're fucking war zones, or they're not yet.

Dana Blouin

Some of them are,

Bear Williams

but some of their being devalued. And what happens is when cities are devalued, people that own the lower and middle rungs of real estate, get out? Yeah, banks go in and buy them corporations go in and buy them. And when they own all the buildings, not just office buildings, but also the residential buildings, then they can kind of kick all the people out, have them routed out anybody that is, you know, the vagrants and, or people who are violent, and then have a new age come in, but then they own everything.

Mike Somerville

What's funny is I remember when we work was getting big and then bigger and then bigger and then bigger. And then SoftBank invested a ton of shit in them in it. I mean, if it wasn't for COVID, we work is this like giant factory, right? And everyone's like, Oh, yeah, yeah, but I work from home, you know, or like, I'm doing, I'm doing drop shipping, and I'm traveling the world, you know, and I'm making a YouTube channel. And so they have they talk about it. Like it's a really, really great thing. I got so many buddies in it. They're like, I'd work for you, Mike, but not know, I want to work for Google, because they let me bring my dog to work. And they make it so that you can work there. 24 hours a day. Yeah. And if you leave, then your peers are like, dude, you're not you're not cool.

Dana Blouin

Our break to go eat? No, no, no. A bottle of Soylent. We have a five by five star chef that can make you

Bear Williams

any Yeah, whatever, whatever substance you want. Like if it's the burger that you want, that's vegetarian or the real burger doesn't matter. sit at your desk work, and we'll bring it to you. Wow. But Wow, that can be great. It can be fantastic. Yeah, the thing is the minute that you challenge the situation and don't fall in line becomes a problem.

Mike Somerville

Well, like I love the fact that you know Google listens to me or like watches everything because the only ads that show up in front of my face now are ones that are absolutely important like Bob plug

Unknown Speaker

Still though I mean, there's

Mike Somerville

nothing wrong with that. You know, double anal we got the producer that over here.

Bear Williams

They're gonna be working overtime.

Mike Somerville

When it goes sideways, right

Dana Blouin

when YouTube's like trying to like transcribe the video is Oh my god. Oh my god. monetize this brazen, right creepy algorithm. Yeah.

Bear Williams

Yeah. The other thing that kills me is that like, in the top 10 major cities in the United States. That is prime real estate. Yeah, for sure.

Dana Blouin

Why that?

Bear Williams

Hell would they let it go to shit?

Mike Somerville

San Francisco is a great example of that. The most expensive city that smells like pee, there's homeless people live in all of you who follow

Dana Blouin

there's like an app to track human. Yeah, the homeless problem people just shit all over the place and

David Asavanond

motivate. How does that even happen is that the homeless people in

Dana Blouin

the tech industry has increased the value increase the cost of living in San Francisco, because people with high income like seven figure incomes live there. Well, a lot of people in like the 500,000 $2 million range who live in San Francisco who work in the valley or work around there. Wow. They just driven those prices up. Holy shit.

Mike Somerville

That's like Palo Alto, you know, let's put that they just read you know, regular real estate. Yep. And now

Dana Blouin

how like, I would say, Yeah, like probably Redwood City all the way to San Francisco is just incredibly incredibly crazy priced. Wow. Is because you have like half a million people making between half a million and a million plus dollars a year. Working in the tech industry over there. Like hundred $50,000 is like nothing in the valley.

Mike Somerville

And they were like a badge of honor. Like I didn't pay in 5800 a month for a one bedroom

Dana Blouin

from

Dana Blouin

New York is like

Dana Blouin

effort to make $200,000 a year in New York and they're fucking struggling to get by, like,

Bear Williams

my rent in for two people. Our rent was 6000 a month.

Unknown Speaker

Manhattan. Yeah.

Bear Williams

Wow. Crazy. No pool. Just a large room with a nice kitchen. Right? But no pool. Money. Crazy. Good location. Like we were a Columbus Circle. How

Mike Somerville

often were you at work, though? Are you just like, whatever. It's no big deal. I'm not fucking staying there that much.

Bear Williams

Well, like I could do work from home and like, I also was one subway stop away. So I could 10 blocks, right. So it was it was kind of like

Dana Blouin

Microsoft is building.

Bear Williams

But it's like literally a cohabitation almost with the fact that you're at work, and I'm doing whatever I can at home. But if someone says to me get down here, yeah, I just walked 10 blocks, right, you know, like, so that there's good, they're gonna make it more efficient. Just because the fact that they're, they're motivated by control. Yeah, right. Right. Right. And it's not a bad thing for them because they have goals. But the thing is, is, what does it become in the future, when you can't make a decision to kind of like, challenge anything? Because the minute you do, you're going to lose your entire existence

Dana Blouin

work sends you a text message, hey, we see that you're going out for a bite to eat. You know, can you stop for a meeting that we've scheduled for you at the next build? What? Exactly your boss and everyone is downstairs in the canteen? You know, just go down there and get it? Yeah.

Bear Williams

It could be far fetched. But I mean, like, it wouldn't make sense. If you continue to devalue the real estate in major cities. At a certain point, it's just going to be gobbled up.

Mike Somerville

Well, I think what you're talking about, it's the trajectory, right? And even if it's not the mountaintop, or the or the crater or whatever, it's like the way that it's going right now. That's a possibility. Absolutely. So the good news is you need to talk about this with people that are fairly intelligent, you know, right. But and then so

Dana Blouin

other people other than us.

Mike Somerville

Absolutely. I mean, you know, the people that are listening to this podcast, yeah, obviously buy a shitload of stuff on shop.shop.com.

Mike Somerville

I mean, you know, we just need some frickin money. But, but yeah, I mean, but but the good news is, is that every now and then you see, like, something good happens, you know. And so I mean, that keeps me positive. Again, I've always been accused of wearing rose colored glasses, you know, when I look at this, but part of it is is coming here to Thailand. It's like, it's the reason that I came here. Like you're talking about freedom. Let me ask you guys something because it sounds like many of us have done this. I submit that the guys like in their 30s and 40s. And that sort of thing. They basically need to go through the process of killing themselves in a career that's based on making a shitload of money to get past that to be like, okay, that's not me. That's not how I'm going to define myself. I need somewhere else.

Dana Blouin

Yeah. They,

David Asavanond

it depends on the person. It depends on the person.

Bear Williams

It definitely does. But the thing is, is that you're, you're almost you're motivated to buy a home, you're motivated to married you're motivated. And by taxes alone, you're motivated. Yeah, have children. Yeah. And you're also kind of motivated by your peers as semuc. Ladies, you get to buy that car because you got to live in the suburbs. But then you also need your weekend car, because you got to show off to your buddies when he got to have a boat did they get the boat you got that garage elegy, keep the car on the boat, and all those things. And those things actually in circles of people who are like minded, help you with your job, because you can talk about the boat, you can talk about golf, you can talk about all these things that if you're in there, and I'm kind of like a bearded guy, I had long hair, I wore hoodies and got yelled at, at a certain point like, I'm differentiating myself, and it's not going with the grain. Yeah. But if I was to go down that road where you're going to be more of like, you know, the Country Club, dude. There's people who want to be that Yeah, but the thing is, is that if you get to a certain point where you're 40 and you go fuck, I played this charade for that long right now, what do I do? I have all this money, but I'm not fulfilled. And I also am angry because I wasted a bunch of time. Yeah,

Mike Somerville

I get that. I mean, I try not, you know, have regrets that sort of thing, just like many people say, but I think Thailand has been a great catalyst for me to realize that and then come over here and be like, I can actually do something I can hang out with him. I can meet new people, I can learn about this acting thing we can do so, you know, because there's a lot of people I think, that are living vicariously through us, especially right now because they can't get on a friggin plane. Right? No matter how much money they have. Yeah. And they're like, Dude, what can I do over in Thailand? You know, cuz after you've watched enough videos, it's like, Alright, fine. I'll go to Poppy. I'll go to soy six. Well, then what? You know, I mean, after the house, gonna go to the clinic. I feel

Mike Somerville

like a motherfucker. Here's my trip.

Dana Blouin

The Tony, this guy, Tony told me he can cure anything. Shoot up, man. Just get some drinking water. There's nothing testosterone can solve.

Bear Williams

I think though, what you're, what you're explaining, though, is that you need to take yourself out of the fishbowl. Yeah, in order to realize you're in the boat, right? Yeah. And what happens is that art when you're kind of swimming around, and you're not conscious of what you're in, you build this anxiety you build the stress you put on your relationships and your children. You should be driving my happiness. How come you're not driving my the pool? I got the pool? How come the pools not driving my happiness? Right? And you start to kind of then resent thing. Yes. I never wanted to be in a position where I looked at everything that I had kind of worked to build and go, I fucking hate it.

Mike Somerville

Did you feel like you got out of it fast enough? Or was that the point you got out when you're like

Bear Williams

God in New York at the right time? Yeah, yeah. And it wasn't. So I had to break out of it. Because I was so conditioned that what I was doing by breaking out and listening to my voice. Yeah, that was that was wrong, right. But you're not supposed to do that. So I left feeling like everyone is going to drop me, you know, because people find out of how I leave and other companies are not going to want to hire me because of I made demands on people. So people who

Dana Blouin

tell you, they'll say, oh, if you leave here who no one's gonna hire someone who quits?

Bear Williams

No, yeah, exactly, exactly. They're going to tell me that if I make this wrong decision, because everyone thinks it's wrong. You will ruin your life. But it's more of the programming. And I understand why the programming exists because they have goals. They want to move to drive large, multi million dollar goal billion dollar goals. So they have to condition people to kind of drive that. But if you realize at a certain point that that's not right for you. Yeah. Either you stress yourself the fuck out. Because you've built this life that kind of like clicks into it, or you go insane. Or you break out of it and get to kind of think like, Alright, I feel very uncertain. I don't know what the fuck I'm gonna do with my life. I know, I'm depressed. I know, everyone tells me I'm doing something wrong. But I still feel that there's a reason why I'm doing this. Yeah. And you get little hints that come in and say, like, just try this, just do this. Just do that. And after a while, you build that confidence to break out. You go from engineering, and you have a clear future. But all of a sudden, you need to leave that in order to go build businesses. Yeah, that's going out on a limb that's taking chances that's taking things that people do not consider safe. Yeah. That takes guts.

Dana Blouin

Take something stupidity.

Bear Williams

I say I said, I'm fucking crazy. Yeah. Because I'm only crazy in the sense that I believe that something will happen. And people go, What? And I go, I don't know.

Mike Somerville

But it's gonna be amazing. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. Yes,

David Asavanond

it's a leap of faith, man, that's what it is, you know, and I and I've, I've gambled on my life. And then just, you know, what your love of what you just said, I've gambled with my life. All my life, right? Every decision I made, you know, moving to different countries or whatever, because I mean, my life's been. I mean, I don't want to sound like self pitying or anything. But you know, my life has been laid with the ship, man, I've had obstacles and just just fucking horrible things happen to me. And that's caused me to move over and over again, because I just can't handle what's you know, what, what was happening at the moment. Whether it being a lack of courage, or strength or whatever, I was just too young, and it was just too much for my mental fragility to handle, you know, I had to go and every time I made that decision on the on the spot, it was like, in the moment, it was like, Oh, my, what am I gonna do? What's gonna happen just like, when you move to Thailand, like what don't you know, like, what's gonna happen to me and this and that, but, you know, you just have to believe in yourself and figure

Dana Blouin

it out. And,

David Asavanond

and exactly, and you know, I think one of the greatest learning curves, any human being can go through is when you put yourself in an uncomfortable situation is when you step outside of your comfort zone, and you master yourself, you mess in your situations. And that's when like you have that chemical change that occurs within your soul. And you reemerge a fucking warrior, and, and I could feel that strength within all of all of us in here. We're all fucking warriors like we've we've got we've undergone all that. That rite of passage. Yeah, you know not staying in the same place like all your your buddies. Yeah, they're some of my friends over here.

Dana Blouin

It's like what bear said about getting out of the fishbowl. Yeah. And when you're over here for a little while once you kind of go through that, that sort of realization that oh, you know, there's personal freedoms, there's opportunity if you're willing to go for it. Yeah. And you look back into the fishbowl and you see stuff that's like, well, how did I not see? I know, right? I look back, this guy who was like a really close friend of mine. We haven't talked in years, because he's like, he's sort of toxic to me now. Yeah. But like, I look back at his life, this is duty. Like, you know, he's like a manager in a Telecom, right. He drives around his little Mustang because he thinks it makes him look cool. He married a girl who was very, he married a chick was very clearly the office whore. Like, the dude whose position I filled left because she broke up is married. Wow. Right. So like, he marries the office whore, like, loves him to death. They, you know, they fucking take their little vacations to like the lake airy beaches. You know, and it's but like, you're in like, the other duty hangs out with his like, he married her best friend. And they're, they're all fucking doing this thing together. And like, like, to them they're happy, right? But I look back at this. I'm like, you know, there's, there's this in there the same thing that you were talking about. They're chasing the money. They're like, he's like, I've got to be the director. I've got to be the VP. And you know, and it's funny. I remember when I left and like the first time I kind of like, started having these realizations. He's like, Oh, dude, you know, he's like, he's like, you don't understand the responsibility of being like a real leader at a company like this. I'm like, Well, I'm like, the leader is the CEO. Dude, you're like a low level supervisor of an engineering time walking away. Yeah, fucking harder.

Bear Williams

Yeah, like, at least there you have a path. Yeah. If you're going up the chain, you know, predictability, and you can figure out, I need to take this step to get there. When you walk away. You got fucking nuts.

Dana Blouin

Yeah, this is the thing. This is a guy who's like he's smart enough to do you know, a number of things. He wasn't a very good engineer. Right? And he's, you know, he's not like, he's a manager in the sense that there's 7000 managers in the company. And they tell you do this, do this, do this toe the company line, and you'll be successful. And he's smart enough to know, like, yeah, if I do these things, I don't rock the boat. I will be very successful. I will be a director and a VP. And, you know, whatever comes up I

Mike Somerville

Mustang every four years. Yeah.

Dana Blouin

Yeah, I have, you know, 2.5 kids, and you know, Mary Morrow, liver and liver. And I mean, I'm sure like in within the next like, five years, we'll probably cheat on his wife, she'll cheat on him. Because they're unhappy with their, their existence and understand why. And then they'll work it out. And they'll be like, Oh, well, we love each other more, because we fucked other people. And, you know, when I hear that, just touching on what you're saying, When I hear that, to me, it sounds like a bunch of bullshit. It is a bunch of voice like itself. It's like a self lying self propaganda, you know, self denial, whatever, you know, we can make this work kind of thing, like the reason why it happened in the first place, because it didn't really work, you know, and I was married before I get divorced. I went through this whole thing where like, I really had an awakening and my marriage was, you look back, and it was spiraling, spiraling out of control for years. And it was like, you know, there was one moment it just like, like this, there's a complete breakdown of communication and trust and ability to work together. I can't do this. And it was tough. It hurt me obviously, financially, and a lot of things but

Mike Somerville

learning experience Yeah,

Dana Blouin

it's a learning experience. But it's also a growth experience on the fact that Yeah, I'm I'm in a better place today. In my mind, then I would have ever been had I stayed in the fishbowl. Well,

Mike Somerville

bear said,

Dana Blouin

if I was in the fishbowl, I'd still be married. And I'd Yeah, be chasing a better job and miserable and miserable. I love

Mike Somerville

what you said about how when you get like anxious or uncomfortable, or whatever you're like, I know I'm doing the right thing that's so motivating to me. Because every now and then I would be like, if I if someone tells me something's crazy, I'm like, I'm definitely doing the right thing. This is fucking awesome.

Bear Williams

Well, when I went into sales, I wasn't a salesperson, right? And it petrified me to be in front of a room, talking to people about products that I really didn't know, and try to convince them that they should give me money. And I was like, This is It's horrifying. I would sweat and be like, it was so uncomfortable, right? But I said to myself, if I become good at this, it will mean that I grow into something that once made me terrified shit scared, but then I become comfortable at it and the minute I can get into a room full of people, and just be relaxed would be something that I would aspire to. So how do I get there? Like, I just can't, it just can't happen, right? Or I continue to try to push myself into some rate though.

Dana Blouin

Failing is such a motivating. It's such a skill to like, you have shot like you develop chops and sales like as an entrepreneur, like you're always selling.

Mike Somerville

But if you do it with integrity, then you have I mean, it's

Dana Blouin

chopped off Bangkok streams with maybe a T shirt, but yeah,

Mike Somerville

I mean, anyone can use car salesmen. Yeah, right. I mean, you just but if you're if you do sales, I mean I would guys would sell to me i t shirt all the time, million bucks, 2 million, but whatever. But the guys that I gave my money to add integrity. Yeah, you know, because they would come out and be like, you know, Mike, I'm doing this presentation. I have a fucking clue what I'm talking about right now. But I know that I will be able to get it done for you. And we had a relationship, right? That always was, I mean, people say if you're not selling a product, you're selling yourself, right? Because you build that integrity. Yeah,

Dana Blouin

you talk about the car thing like car sales. Like I'm so happy to not dry. like living in Asia like fucking hate. Like, David's only person I know that drive. A few people drive out here actually. But you're the one who drives everywhere because you're always going to like SATs and stuff but like not dealing with like, the issues of like owning a car like I have a scooter or I take a grab or take the fucking BTS. Yes. So here's David can't take the BTS. Why? He gets a costed by people.

Mike Somerville

Oh, really? They want your autograph?

Dana Blouin

No, no, they want a selfie? Well, not all the time.

David Asavanond

She's witnessed it a couple of times. And

Dana Blouin

so there's actually one time a lady boy accosted him when he visited. Why

Unknown Speaker

is that bad?

Dana Blouin

No. So hang out with you. It's not a

David Asavanond

bad thing. Oh, wasn't it BTS

Dana Blouin

is where he came where I taken David to a little awkward that's taking him to a startup event. Because David at one point was kind of like exploring the startup space. And we took him to an event. And we're leaving my office and going down the escalator and the maids all the ladyboy maids were coming up the other way. And one of them recognize David and she just like, reaches out and touches his hand and like

David Asavanond

yeah, my hand on the rail and then she just Yeah, and I was like, Hi. Fucking

Dana Blouin

human on rail. Don't do that again. But

David Asavanond

but but I it's I think it comes with age too. Like, I have a certain appreciation a certain understanding but humanity. Yeah. And I know that in that moment. He she felt compelled. Dammit, David, you hashtag quality. Yeah, he slash she felt compelled by a strong emotion, right to reach out and touch me.

Mike Somerville

So that I or this person I want you

David Asavanond

know, yeah. You know, like, for whatever reason, didn't have to admire meets one of the types of weird looking guy

Dana Blouin

would have touched me. Yeah.

David Asavanond

This weirdo, but I could appreciate that. And I could empathize with that. And that's why, you know, when he she touched me, I was like, I get it. I understood that. I was like, Hey, what's going on? You know, I was like, You fucking 30 No, it wasn't. There was there was there wasn't anything like that. But yeah, and I think you photobomb

Dana Blouin

that photo bombs. Yeah, someone shot a selfie themselves. But clearly. She was she was clearly trying to take a photo of David right. And she was like, trying to selfie herself and she kept moving on the screen. Yeah, so so i got i came up behind David. I was like,

Mike Somerville

just jerking off.

Dana Blouin

And then there was one other time a guy like ran from his door of the train to jump into the section. We were on together. Just to take a photo with you. I don't remember the I don't remember. Hey, Dave. David's always cold. Isaac. Yeah, sure. Whatever. Actually, you remember. You brought me and Jim to premiere of 12 horses or whatever? 12 straw. Yeah, you brought Gemini to the premiere of that. And you were hanging out in front beforehand. Like someone like came over a lot. People come over ask David for photo. Yeah, sure. Sure. That one guy. One random guy is like oh, you too. I'm like, No, I'm not who you think you don't want me to say I'm a big fan. Can you be

Dana Blouin

like no, no, yeah.

Dana Blouin

I feel so bad because I like I'm in the photo with David.

Dana Blouin

Maybe because I'm a fat version of bear. Right? Like, I happen

Mike Somerville

to say like I have a 13 year old daughter and she chances did these deaths. And you were right in the front row. I think you should probably marry her because you were living at her box. Like she was all over the place.

Dana Blouin

I felt horrible though. That takes him like I'm ruining this guy's photo. Like he's thinking like, I'm someone who like

David Asavanond

it's all good man. before when I was in New York and I

Bear Williams

when I had no beard and the Giants had Jeremy Shockey. Yeah, I was waiting online to get into a club with my friend and the bouncers like walk down the line. Yeah. And as they walked down the line, they just looked at me and I met eyes with them. They're like, What the fuck are you doing? And I'm like, waiting to get in the club. And they're like, come on, and they pulled me out of Line Larry and brought me into the front. They're like, the owner is gonna want to talk to you. And I'm like, What the fuck is?

Bear Williams

Yeah. And my friend is like, shut up, shut up,

Mike Somerville

blow in my pocket.

Bear Williams

And they're like, so we walk in and they like, bring me to a back table and they're like, what would you like to drink? And I'm like, I don't know if my friends like, while the bottle of vodka fuck is going on. So the owner sits down and talk to us for a little bit and they sent over some girls. Wow, man. I'm saying to my friend of Mike. They think I'm Jeremy Shockey right now, and this is going to be a problem. Yeah, the fuck out of here. my buddy's like, No, no, man, it just just play it out. The whole time like, fuck a fuck up until a certain point I look at my buddy. I'm like, I'm gonna get out of here before they beat the crap out of us. Yeah, so I just like got up at a certain point is like, right out the fucking door.

Mike Somerville

I get a buddy who looks like Jason Statham. Yeah. And we go places. He's got like the, you know, the bald head. Yeah, and the girls definitely just want to do you know, yeah, selfies and stuff. I have not had that personally. But I have a lot of friends that are certainly in it. You know, they were like it celebrities, man Adele is you know, is one of them. You know? And he was always very gracious about it. But I remember talking with him about it. And he's like, this is the only thing I don't like about like, cuz his dream, right? I mean, the laptop on everyone's computer. I mean, his, you know, plaster the world with Dell. Yeah. And he's been a pretty decent job of that, you know, he says, but this is the part that is just, you know, they don't tell you about this. Yeah. When you're starting to be a really successful entrepreneur. And, you know, I gave him shit. I'm like, I have first word, probably. But I mean, the point is, is that the thing that bothered him about it was it distracted him from the vision that he had for his organization does. That's the kind of stuff you ever get distracted by that. And your your craft potentially has a little bit of a delay, or you're not like performing the bit. I mean, I don't know I've ever sort of

David Asavanond

distracted from like, what, by what,

Mike Somerville

like, if you're on a set, for example, and there's a bunch of people that are like screaming and i don't

David Asavanond

i'm not i'm not i don't get that kind of attention. Okay, it doesn't matter. And I think that even even if I did, I wouldn't give a shit. Okay, because I'm, I think I'm just too old to give a shit anymore. Yeah, you know, I've gotten to that point in my life where if nothing is, is is real as something real should be like real emotions, real friendship, real feelings. And it's just something that's fleeting to me. That's all an illusion. So I look past that. I don't give a shit. Also,

Bear Williams

Thai Thai fans are a lot more team and oh, yeah, that's American fan. Doc. Shocking. Insane. It seems

Dana Blouin

to me like to the people that ties like really focus on Celebrity wise are young celebrities. Yeah, it's the youth.

David Asavanond

Yeah,

Bear Williams

but in general, though, too. I think that they're just they're more demure they're appropriately over and they're a little bit more they're they're more concerned with making sure that they're not offending that they do kind of like it yeah and and try to get it depends

Dana Blouin

on the people recognizing you bear

Bear Williams

not for being myself yet. For being Opie from sons of

David Asavanond

tremors even

Bear Williams

after he co op i can see Oh yeah, in New York I my beard was like down to here and I got Opie all the time. People would take pictures with me when I rode through times where

Dana Blouin

like, like,

Bear Williams

as they're taking the picture I'm like, I'm not who you think I am. Like, just shut up my wife's gonna love it.

Dana Blouin

No One No One recognizes you from the true was at the CP commercial. CP on no CP maybe not or even that popped up on my YouTube like if I would watch videos on my on my on my iPhone. And I don't have the ad blocker I would get that fucking CP commercial with you. Which one is the CP? Is it the one eating the hotdogs and the girl beats you up?

Bear Williams

Oh no. So they're the CP now the CP I did one for CP but it was like a very I wasn't one of the mains. I was actually just like, basic a piece of furniture. I'm the one where the tie

David Asavanond

rods though. That one was with Gerber right. Christoph Gerber?

Bear Williams

That was the CP one. Yeah, the other one. With a tie. popstar kicks me in the nuts. Yeah,

David Asavanond

that was for no see. I've never seen that.

Bear Williams

That was for like, orange drinks on plus, so plus. So

Dana Blouin

like, for two months. That was the only ad that fucking ran on my you know this guy. I'm like, fucking bear. Get off my YouTube motherfucker. She has another one I showed up. And they said to me like

Mike Somerville

he's gonna kick you

Bear Williams

kick in. I'm like, Okay, what else? Like? That's it? Yeah. And I'm like, Alright, let's do this. Yeah. Just like, you're you're okay. I'm like, Yeah, come on. Let's do it.

David Asavanond

Yeah, we'll give you a call. And that's how you get more jobs is that you're not?

Bear Williams

Yeah, I don't care. I'm not sitting there going like no buddy can kick me. I'm like, how hard Do you want to kick me? Yeah, I don't care. Right.

Dana Blouin

How's it hard, make it look good.

Dana Blouin

Let's get Oh, they did nothing.

Dana Blouin

Takes it.

Bear Williams

Three, three.

Bear Williams

Fuck all Americans. They were trying to kick the inside. Yeah. The pants was so tight. I'm like, you can just do whatever you want. The crotch of the pants was so tight. Yeah, I was just like you can. There's no way to take me. It's no problem Jesus. Also, too, I wanted it to look real. So I'm like, just kicked me. If it hurts. It hurts. I'm not worried about it.

Unknown Speaker

Jesus

Dana Blouin

Christ. You

Dana Blouin

were a copper. No, no, no, no, no, no. Because I get that that balls. My boys Hi, cops are solid steel. They're fucking insane. Wait, what's the one is that? One of these? Boy taco ain't touching that.

Unknown Speaker

Brown.

Dana Blouin

Yeah, so as you can see the metal inside

Bear Williams

solid metal. They asked me Do you want us to get you a cup? And I'm like now? I might because I looked at her. And I'm like, huh?

Mike Somerville

I was a girl who's kicking.

Bear Williams

Yeah, yeah. So it's still you see if it was the stunt double. I would have worn a copy

Dana Blouin

was

Unknown Speaker

tough. Yeah, right.

Bear Williams

But if the main I'm like, if she's gonna kick me, I'm like, go to town. We're good.

Dana Blouin

They probably had to spend like 20 million baht promoting that because the only thing that ran on my YouTube huge it was that that it was on the train. It was like a two minute film.

Mike Somerville

What was it selling orange juice.

Bear Williams

It was like a gin Singh drink. I guess

Dana Blouin

they were showing it on the train at one point. Like Yes,

Dana Blouin

sir. So that was everywhere. Like see

Mike Somerville

that jelly? Yeah, all the time. Oh my god, Siva,

Bear Williams

yo, da tu tu they they hit me across the chest with the chair. And they did it a couple of times that

Mike Somerville

thing or like a styrofoam problem. No,

Bear Williams

it's not styrofoam. It's actually wood but it's jointed together with just like something that'll break. Okay, is it's still it's still wood. It's and it's balsa wood. But it's still good. Well, actually, it's not. But it's it's but it's wood. But it's designed to break. Okay. The thing is, is that they had a target on me because there's a pad. Okay. The thing that happened though, is that when they swung it, they swung low. Oh, and they smack me like in the head. But when it happened, I didn't feel any pain. I was like, Okay, let's do it again. Next day, though. Let's do it again. When I got home. Everything on the side was black and blue.

Bear Williams

Like manly shit. That's awesome. Like,

Dana Blouin

I love your attitude. Yeah,

Mike Somerville

I was. I get scared. I'm gonna be like, Oh, this is great. I totally got to do this. Otherwise, Bear's gonna be like your fucking pussy. First of all, you don't have a goddamn beard. Every time you get scared like 110% 80 miles an hour. Would you focus? What a motivator has to be

Bear Williams

that way? Otherwise we go back to the corporate world. Yeah,

Mike Somerville

exactly. Um, no, I I cannot imagine going back. I can't imagine

Bear Williams

I you know, what, if it was a really good opportunity, and I could kind of like find a reason. Like, if it was something where I felt faded. Yeah, like, I would do it. Yeah, but the thing

Dana Blouin

is like that would that be?

Bear Williams

It's so hard to say because I don't know what I'm doing. like Google calls

Dana Blouin

you up. And they're like, bear we need you to, to headsails and be like, Alright, describe what that entails. Yeah, seven figure salary.

Mike Somerville

Come on, you know, go back

David Asavanond

to that shit, man. No, I wouldn't do

Bear Williams

it would really need to, it would really need to kind of so

Dana Blouin

Hollywood call Hold on. Wait, wait, it would be we

David Asavanond

just going back to what you're saying about Google or whatever. Microsoft or whatever it would be on his terms. Yeah, if he went to do some corporate shit, it would be on his

Dana Blouin

Hollywood shit. He's all over it. So Hollywood calls your bat you're in LA. He's like,

David Asavanond

right now. I'm good. I'll do whatever that suck Weinstein's dick I'm all good.

Bear Williams

You know, I beg Listen, how do you like you dig

Mike Somerville

in the ball? Fucking expert at how much tongue

Dana Blouin

you are. How much anyone will be a tea. Do you want me to shave the beard? I've been on Bangkok strange. Have you heard

Unknown Speaker

what I'll do?

Dana Blouin

When I got back

Dana Blouin

or not the 15 year old girl gave it to me.

Mike Somerville

She was Japanese. She had hearts bounces on her as to

David Asavanond

the director view rather detail. I'm a big fan. You're

Dana Blouin

fucking dangerous.

David Asavanond

God damn this guy. So I'm watching out for you. Mike. sobriety is a big thing. He's like, he keeps doing the payoffs and he's like the one liners and he remembers the shit that we talked about, like an hour and a half ago. He drops that shit. Like

Dana Blouin

this is why Mike is on Bangkok change. Damn. I knew what I needed. Holy shit, man.

Dana Blouin

There was a certain point when we were shooting. Sorry.

Mike Somerville

We're having a moment.

David Asavanond

We haven't grown facial hair.

Mike Somerville

Wait to Velcro my fucking face right upset again.

David Asavanond

We're next we're next to each other. When we kiss each other. You're gonna feel it run

Mike Somerville

over the table right now. It's only audio that we wouldn't get Good. Luckily, like it's underneath the table that sounded you're hearing fucking cock kidding. Oh,

Mike Somerville

god damn anyway, Barry, we're gonna talk about the church experience that you had recently and

David Asavanond

it's been something completely different. And that was something completely different. I was I was kind of saying

Bear Williams

when we shot tremors, it was in a jungle scenario. And basically there was marshland and swamp. And at one point, I'm crawling around in the water in the swamp shit that you would look at and go, I hope the waters tested but just gross. God knows, you know,

David Asavanond

that's how American have you. Fish

Mike Somerville

should I wear a mask? My constitutional rights.

Dana Blouin

Gonna go on to talk about the Deke fish.

Bear Williams

So I'm in basically, you know, up to my head and swamp and like the the director kind of said to me, he's like, you know, you told me you wanted to be an actor. And I just looked at him. I go, I could do this all day. Like, whatever the fuck you want to do. It doesn't matter. I'll do and it's also to like, I've done the things that I don't want to do, right? This I want to do and if you want to take 100 takes of doing the same shit. I'm crawling around and fucking 30 s want water? It's fine.

Dana Blouin

He's down. Everything.

Bear Williams

I was a salesperson.

Dana Blouin

He can close. Yeah. Not his legs. Yeah, he never saw a bear without a coffee. He's close.

David Asavanond

Man.

Dana Blouin

So I was a is Hollywood a goal of yours? Or you're just riding the wave? I mean, in the Hollywood film? Well, hold on. Yeah, but so am I.

Bear Williams

Straight to video, digital video.

Dana Blouin

No, I was straight to Pirate Bay. Dude, it was available on Pirate Bay three weeks before release. You? If?

Bear Williams

Yes, yeah. I mean, like, I can't kid myself like I want. So I want to do this stuff. Like, I wouldn't say it's a goal. I'm gonna say if it happens, it happens for a reason. Yeah. Like, if something happens to me and I turn around and I'm doing something else in six months. That's cool. Like, but I don't ever want to set myself up where if I failed to do something, I'm feel like bad about it. But there is something that tells me like this trajectory, or this direction is where I'm going. Yeah,

Mike Somerville

I it's my experience that guys, they approach it like that, like both you guys obviously I'm getting to know you know, that sort of thing. But the guys that I'll just label it do it with passion and integrity. without really the care for them money or that sort of thing. Those are the ones that surely become successful.

Bear Williams

Well, this is the thing is like, people say like, do you want to be a Hollywood star? I'm like, No, when I go to the next job with the people say to me, this is an orange drink, and we're gonna kick in the nuts. I'm gonna do

Dana Blouin

that job. Fucking awesome. Every time Got it? Yeah. And

Bear Williams

they're gonna be like, Well, what about the future? I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna get my nut kick here. And I'm going to make sure that that director is so happy with what I did. Because

Dana Blouin

the way you do anything is the way you do everything.

Bear Williams

100% Yeah,

Bear Williams

no, it's so true. Like people they want to believe that like if you aspire to something that that is going to be what pushes the direction every single day is what you do in that day. Yeah, how you finish that day is what will build and lead you to someplace you're supposed to go. Are you working?

Unknown Speaker

My life fucking sales guy, man. Microsoft product?

Dana Blouin

Yeah. Why?

Dana Blouin

The shows on Azure. Jesus.

David Asavanond

It's true. It's so genuine. Yeah, friggin awesome. Guys, what like couple hours? Yeah, we gel really well, which is awesome. And I love that I love that kind of meeting where you know, you run into someone and then everything kind of gels. Well, you know, with the same kind of sense of humor. And then you know, when we're on the like, the level a wave level, yeah, exact same wavelength. Thank you. The phrase

Mike Somerville

I love and I get this we were saying, you know, guys, the different back east and stuff. It seems like I get that more as it's like, you just will tell me about your body. It's like, Look, dude, he just gets it. Yeah, yeah. And you can say that, and you guys can go Yeah, and then someone else will be like, Well, what do you mean by that? I'm like,

Dana Blouin

I mean that you don't know. You don't? Yeah, I can't I can't explain to you if I don't get it. Yeah.

Mike Somerville

And that's a tough one.

Dana Blouin

Are you working on anything now there?

Bear Williams

Actually, no, I mean, there with everything with COVID it shut things down, especially with like outside productions coming in. So there's like a lot of like rumors on the horizon, which could be cool, but again, like I don't really try to like waiting. I did a commercial for a Cambodian company, a beer company, a German beer company that is in Cambodia. And about a month ago, we did a commercial. So that was the first time that I worked in probably five months.

Dana Blouin

I got a line message the other day for I had a fat guy role set up before COVID and canceled because of COVID. And like, like a one day thing, you know, like a commercial and then she hit me up the other day. She's like, oh, that fat guy. And the commercials are like, they might be doing that again. Like, will you still do it? I'm like, yeah, are you still fat? I'm like, absolutely. Yeah, the time or like, like, I actually had one of the customers like, can you get fatter? Jesus? I'm like, like, how much fatter should like eat a pizza? I'm like, I have no problems eating pizza. So if that's what

Mike Somerville

American Diabetes

Dana Blouin

is. Anytime there's like, an I it's weird, because like, apparently like, I'm just known as like the fat guy. Wow, the fat white guy like it?

Mike Somerville

Yeah, I don't want that. That's not true.

Dana Blouin

But I'm not trying to be like, like, I'll show up. I'll do like, what do you need me to do the same thing? Like, like, I'm here to work. So what do you need me to do? You need me to fucking sit in the fucking ocean for an hour and jump out. Yeah, no problem. Like, I don't give a fuck. I'll be the best. Whatever the hell yeah, you get covered in baby oil and walk down the beach. Sure. When like, like, yeah, like what I did last Saturday. Yeah, but I'd be like, that's the type of shit like, like, like, what would you need? You sit in the corner and look creepy. Okay, yeah. Not hard. I'll be the best creepy wife. It's what I do. But like, I'm not trying to like my own pursue stuff. Yeah, you know, again, like I felt like everything downstairs. I've got to do and but if someone's looking at one day be a fat dude. Yeah, sure.

David Asavanond

It's funny. You say that too. Because like the whole thing that led to tremors tremor. I never forced any You see, I'm an Allah. It's fucking amazing. Because I was about to get on this topic right now. So yeah, say we're about to say and I got to join in

Bear Williams

it. God damn really just happen. Yeah. And I'm not saying that. Like, I didn't take steps to make it happen. But I didn't try to like you didn't try hard. I know. This, and it must happen. Yeah, I have an own will towards it. Yeah, I just kind of said, like, that's cool. I'm gonna do what feels good. And then I'm going to do what feels good again, and again and again. And if something materializes, it just kind of like becomes, and it's almost that like, I don't believe that I will one day be a Hollywood star. I just believe that every day I move towards things that feel good.

Dana Blouin

Yeah. And nail it every day. You kill it.

Bear Williams

Yeah, you know what, some days? I fuck up. And I don't get a job. But the thing is, is I never harp on that. It's like, oh, it takes a chunk out. Yeah, I'm just wasn't supposed to be wasn't supposed to be not that way.

Dana Blouin

And I have to say that I've like, read for like a few pieces where it's like, it's a day of shooting like, I don't get it. But yeah, I met some cool people at the show.

Bear Williams

Fun. Yeah, even the castings. I always kind of say, like, if I don't do well, at this casting, I learned something about myself. I learned about how to not approach How can I do it better? Exactly. 100%. So it's like, I'm always continually learning and analyzing data, just to kind of like figure out like, what do I want to

Dana Blouin

do? The castings are a lot of fun, because like I say, you do get to meet other people and you get to fucking like, like, if, like you said, the first time like, Oh, we need more emotion. And like, I remember the first time I did a casting where it's like, I had to read a bunch of stuff. There's like a paragraph of dialogue. And they didn't send it to me beforehand. They're like, well, you just learn it now. Yeah. Like, like, like,

David Asavanond

that would be a No, no, in America a

Bear Williams

week before this. So um, first.

Dana Blouin

I have a few minutes. I like, take a few minutes and just read it and yeah, like, memorize it, memorize it, memorize it, like, Okay. And I fucked it up the first time. They're like, Oh, it's a little off. Can you just fix them like, Okay. And then I'm like, Oh, great. Like, do it a little bit more like this? Yeah, like, okay, like more energy. It's like, one point, they're like, more energy more energy more. Yeah.

Mike Somerville

David, you mentioned you wanted to dovetail on that. But I'm also curious like, way he's describing his behavior and stuff like onset as an actor. You've directed right? Yeah, so as a director recently, are you just like this is my fan?

David Asavanond

This is it. Yeah, this is my fantasy act right? Yeah. Easy to work with humble doesn't give shit not arrogant will get cannot see anything. He'll do anything. You know, anything within reason, of course, you know, but maybe that's kind of like that is like the dream actor that any director wants to work with. You don't want divas and shit. Like I like on laser candy. I had to work with a diva it was it was it was hell for the for the whole crew. For the whole crew. It wasn't hard. Like I'm not gonna mention the name. But you know, it was it was really, really just horrible. He

Dana Blouin

said we'll figure it out when we watch the movie. Yeah,

David Asavanond

yeah. You'll know it's The female lead. What do you do?

Mike Somerville

What do you do?

Dana Blouin

laser candy time movie in theaters? December? Yeah, she's

Mike Somerville

coming. What do you do as a leader then in that kind of scenario? I mean,

David Asavanond

around it. Okay. So basically what happened was it was it's such a complex process your first time directing? Yeah. So co-directing, I didn't direct the whole foot. But

Dana Blouin

still, I mean, it's your first time in that seat. Yes. So that's gonna be challenging. It was.

David Asavanond

Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't at the same time, because most of the actors that I worked with are just amazing, very talented. And they got it. You know, when I gave him directions, they're like, Okay, I'm gonna do this and do that. And like, Okay, great. If it doesn't work out. Let's do it again. Try it again. Until they nailed it. Obviously, the only fucking person a problem was was the female lead. But that was the problem was this. If I had the money, and if I was the producer, and if I was if I complete control of the movie, I could have been like, Fuck you. Hmm. But because the investors people with the money they said, We want this actress, she is the one. You have to do anything you can to please her make her happy. You know, you have to you're playing the game. Sadly, yeah. So I had to just play nice. The whole time. I had to appease I had to cajole I had to, you know, coax, I had to a whole bunch of, you know, emotional tax corporate world. Yeah, it's like that. And much,

Mike Somerville

and you get real successful. That's kind of happens, right? Well, that the direction like he doesn't sound like you've experienced any of that. But obviously, when you get to the point of director,

Dana Blouin

yeah, is it? Well, having seen David on Saturday is the same as bear. It's like, he they're like, Alright, dude. Like, do it again. David, say, don't say this. Okay.

David Asavanond

Yeah. It's better to be easy. You know that to be a dick. Because what

Dana Blouin

I always tell them

Unknown Speaker

what are you talking about?

Bear Williams

any large scale production? There's always gonna be people that come with the man. Yeah. And the thing is, is to recognize them their demands. And

Dana Blouin

yes, I'm way to I get around. I get you guys have that on tremor. I get it. Is there anyone who was the diva? A couple? No,

Bear Williams

not our whole like acting troupe was pretty like on point. I mean, there was some of the background stuff where there was disagreements with regard. Yeah, yeah.

Dana Blouin

Yeah. You know, props. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bear Williams

But otherwise, like everybody, one of the things that I think will make that film great is that everybody was fucking awesome. Like, and apparently, a lot of people were saying that, that doesn't always happen. For me, I don't really know. So it was kind of like, there was a lot of good. But again, like I said that there were people involved who had one off disagreements, but that wasn't an overall feel of

David Asavanond

the creative. It was it was it was good. It was a fun experience. And I think, you know, I think most of the people, I would say most of the people gel, but that's what happens when you have like a huge group of people. There's bound to be class. Yeah, you

Dana Blouin

know, I was like, when I was doing my show in Malaysia was the same thing. Like there was there was clashes in the background, my first show in Malaysia, we did 180 something episodes. And my me and my producer, and you know, my contact at the studio, we're all great, like, no issues, but create, like, at the executive level, there were there were always these one off situations with, you know, they want you to do a certain string of content, or like, how do you approach it, right, those types of small things, but he goes on every day, and you fucking record the best fucking episode you can. And that's what led to my second show that you are on it with BFM. Yeah, yeah. Well, it is like that kind of same thing. And it didn't cause any long term reps with me in the executive leaders at that network. Yeah, you know, is the same thing

Mike Somerville

you want to keep directing, or acting Sorry, go from co director to be direct the

David Asavanond

right guy? Going back to what Ben was saying that I wanted to chime in was that this is it. I never expected it to happen. I don't wait for anything, right. It's it's like what you said it just do anything you can within that moment, the best that you can. And then the results will speak for themselves. Your personality will speak for itself. You know, people do notice things without telling you about this. They're not gonna say, Good job today, I will keep you in mind. You're amazing. I love you. But yeah, you know, it's just, they keep it within keep it to themselves. And a lot of times, I may have come across as a dick every now and again, not because I'm a diva, but because I felt like I was mistreated on certain productions. But people don't want to fucking hear by that. They don't care about your rights. You know, so because you act you act up, they're gonna remember that they're not gonna remember the rest of the good shit that you did. So anyway, my point is, do the best that you can on the day because it leaves you know, at least a better things and you know, it will mark what's happened tomorrow. My thing is that I don't, I don't expect it. I do what I can and, and by some miracle, you know, people will think about it. And then they will, they will, they will lend you a helping hand or they'll give you opportunities and they will. And I was given this opportunity by Stefan's little Tesco I have to mention his name. He's a. He is a he's a movie maker. He's a producer. He also directs he writes scripts as well as very talented.

Dana Blouin

He's in Thailand. No, he's here in New Year's.

David Asavanond

He was, yeah, you met him, Stefan. That's the one. So Stefan and I worked together about three years ago on this little project that he had. And I auditioned to play one of the lead actors for him, right. So I did one episode of the many episodes that he did. And he liked me. So I put me in another episode. And then we became friends. We started hanging out, you know, he had he talked about his big dreams, big projects, and then we became friends became buddies. And he liked the kind that he liked the work that I did. So based on that, when laser candy landed on his lap, and he had the green light, he just called me up one day, he's like, yo, would you co direct this with me? And that's how it happens. Just don't be a fucking debt yet. Be a nice guy. And if any of you have pushed to being addicted, let's hope that it's justifiable. You know what I mean? And then that's when people think about you. Like, when I met bear, I'm always thinking about him, like, how can I bring bear? And how could I involve him in my next projects and stuff? You know, I'm always thinking about him, because he's just a fucking beautiful man. Look at him.

Dana Blouin

Sexy as fuck. We all

Mike Somerville

look at that a year, Jesus. Lick that, I mean,

Dana Blouin

oh, boy, you showed you got to

Mike Somerville

remove your teeth.

Dana Blouin

You can't be in a room with four guys.

Dana Blouin

Like a bunch of cheaters.

David Asavanond

So as your question, if I'm given the same opportunity, absolutely. Did you love it? I loved it. I think it's great. And, and it's, it's really hard to explain because it's something that's so internally visual. So it all happens inside your head. And it's also very abstract and very intuitive. So anything that happens on the monitor, as a director like I've, because of my acting experiences, I will, it's like, it's like a rhythm that that the act of the actor portraying the character is doing, there's a rhythm to it. And when they land, the right beats, they land on the right note. So the land of the right timing and everything. It's like, it's like, you know, as Yeah, it's like that, you know? Yeah, it's like that. And, yeah, jam and everything. And every time you see it happening in front of you, you know, keep it in mind that before you get to the whole point of where you're acting, these are just words on a page. Yeah. Right. The actor has to read, digest, live that and memorize the lines and then play and deliver right as best he or she can. So when that happens right in front of you. It's like, holy shit, it's magic. I get goosebumps, just you know, just talking about it. It's, it's, it's really, really just something that's really amazing. It's great. So I was loving it. And not because of the whole pilot thing is a lot of people like to be in a position of power and Oh, okay. Yeah, it, it plays on that sometimes. You know what I mean? Like, I'm the director now and you have to listen to me. But whereas I

Dana Blouin

actually was like, Oh, really? Yeah,

David Asavanond

hold my beer. Yeah. But you know, like, it's, it's, it's magical to me. It's really good. Like, I

Mike Somerville

totally,

David Asavanond

I sparkle is like,

Dana Blouin

read some life into your love.

David Asavanond

Weird, man, because we have that last chat and I kind of lost passion for it because of the way the industry is. Because of, you know, the way I've been treated in certain situations. And I'm like, this is just,

Dana Blouin

I think a lot of it has to do with the level that you've brought the craft to for yourself and then the level that you're expected to come in at.

David Asavanond

Yeah, there's a bit of that too. Yeah, among other things. Yeah.

Dana Blouin

But I kind of sense that like the being behind the camera for a minute. Kind of brief. A bit of new lighting to the passion working with good actors, man, it's

David Asavanond

so fun. Yes, you tell them and then you tell them but I want you to do a little bit here a little bit bad you get just

Mike Somerville

you know, realizing Oh, holy shit, and that

David Asavanond

happens. And I'm like, that's it boom, cut print that shit. We got this.

Dana Blouin

What's the workload for a director like before the day it's a lot like going in like, you're just like the press? Yeah, you're

Mike Somerville

not waiting around just the director. You're the one new Oh, non stop. The actors are waiting.

David Asavanond

Yeah, so it's the fun and I had two different two different responsibilities. I was responsible for the acting aspect of the production and he was responsible for everything else. Okay, so you know, location scouting, you know, doing the framing the shots, the lighting, you know, the crew of the DP everything. So the DP

Mike Somerville

dual penetration Is that wrong?

Unknown Speaker

God damn these

David Asavanond

these guys are good. Holy shit. Can't see not even like a moment of heartbeat. Not even a fucking I had like half of a heartbeat going and like don't get me

Mike Somerville

But how is that relevant? But it's a great

Dana Blouin

topic. What do you say? Yeah, so, Director photography. Oh, okay. I was like, What? I'm definitely gonna see laser candy.

Dana Blouin

dp

David Asavanond

when it's fine when it does come out watch it because it's completely different than what time? Absolutely, it's different. So now because I direct I co directed it, but watching is it's gonna be something. I would watch

Dana Blouin

it because you co directed it anyway. Watch it because you, you recommend it? Yeah.

David Asavanond

When's that coming? next year? I don't know. Okay. Yeah. But so you know, that's, that's the hot like, Stefan did like the hardest

Dana Blouin

part of the work. Are you involved in the Edit? I

David Asavanond

did part of the editing as well. Yeah. So yeah. So again, it's a collaboration. So I give my version of what I conserved how I conserve the best scenes of the acting. And then Stefan jumps in with Mick now who is his personal editor, they jump in together, and then they compile something completely different after that. So it's completely collaborative. And it's a beautiful thing. We have a good working relationship. So there's never been like, I know more than you. You know. It's it's never that it's like

Dana Blouin

I have an idea. Oh, that's awesome. This

David Asavanond

is completely symbiotic. And I fucking love that it's good energy.

Mike Somerville

But the great thing about a relationship like that is you can have disagreements. Yeah. And it's not like you're trying to get over me it's like no, no, no, no, that that's bad, right? you collaborate

David Asavanond

Yes. even fucking batteries right at some, you know, at some point when I wanted to focus on a certain scene, you know, Stefan's like we don't have time I'm like alright, fuck it we got to move on what's it make do away you know we'll save it in post or something when I was in the editing room and I was and I thought that what my version was good stuff I was like well you know and I said we would we would discuss it and then in the end then you know it is what it is

Dana Blouin

about that time limitation like you feel like you're under the under pressure of the clock all the time as a director like I got to get this this scene right because we have before the

Mike Somerville

sun goes down Yeah,

David Asavanond

well, I did I also did the casting so 90% except for except for the the diva and but the met the female the male lead was awesome got really really good guy loved him except for the two leads the rest of the of the cast members I picked out and I picked out really really good actors. So they're just easy to work with it wasn't like difficult at all you know? And that's a that's a that's a time saver right there. Yeah, that you know they can you

Dana Blouin

But yeah, exactly. It's your team gels and the well oiled machine Yeah.

David Asavanond

I think the the the the more tricky aspect of shoot, the shoot of shooting was the framing the shots and the lighting and you know, making sure that the light falls on the actors specific

Bear Williams

Yeah, exactly. That's the difference between something looking professional and something looking like a piece of shit

Dana Blouin

something shot in my upstairs a studio with two two. Still working. Take a look. How are we still recording? Okay.

Mike Somerville

Yeah, how many engineers does it take

Dana Blouin

to engine we've had what five failures on

Dana Blouin

my shot both engineers Yes, I have a very professional studio I've got a grateful over some some umbrella lights in the 70s air conditioning, air conditioners $1,000 and thousands of dollars in audio equipment running.

Dana Blouin

produce much heat. No, they're CFL. Yeah.

Mike Somerville

I have LEDs at home. And I really love

Dana Blouin

I if I switch I'll switch back to LEDs. But these I've had these for years. And they work great. Oh, yeah. Until for something like this. They found a ton of light. And if you're filming it 30 FPS it's

Mike Somerville

bang on I get a lot of shadow where I'm at, which is kind of a drag. So I had to get a couple of them. But But

Dana Blouin

audio wise, this was pretty good. A little bit of echo. Not horrible.

Mike Somerville

This has been fantastic. I mean, we got to come up with some more topics, or or do we come back and do like Part Two where

David Asavanond

we could we could we could do I think there were a bunch of smart men. You know?

Dana Blouin

We've been out for just over two hours, I think let's not go four and a half.

David Asavanond

We have a lot of things to talk about.

Dana Blouin

Because we're friends. So anytime you get

David Asavanond

you have free time on the topic like friendship, what's you know, what's the idea of a friendship? Like what kind of different what kinds of many different friendships have you had? And we can compare notes that every song

Mike Somerville

is so much here Yeah, as much as you know, we joke around and of course guarantee but it's just like, well, dude, I want to be friggin happy. And this is what I did. Yeah, why don't you guys try that hat on? Let me know in two weeks how it goes.

David Asavanond

You know? I mean, I love shit like yeah, I mean, yeah, hashtag Me too. Sorry.

Mike Somerville

Hashtag our lives matter.

Dana Blouin

With that, with that, let's wrap it up guys anywhere. Anywhere that people can check you got you got David obama.com

David Asavanond

Yes, I have my website. That's about it, but you're not online. Not really. We got to talk about that man. Yeah, I get

Mike Somerville

like IMDb and all that. I mean, oh, yeah,

David Asavanond

I'm on all that.

David Asavanond

relevant. It doesn't really he's not.

Dana Blouin

He's only in his own mind.

Mike Somerville

Like someone who's truly relevant. Okay.

Dana Blouin

Yeah. Where can people check you?

Bear Williams

IMDb Instagram bear Williams. Yeah, Facebook bear Williams and I haven't set up my website but it will be bear Williams

Dana Blouin

in your YouTube and my YouTube which is also bear William all that. links in the show notes on YouTube. Yeah. Bears will be on the at the end of the video as well. He will click through to get some

Mike Somerville

credits. We should roll some credits on the YouTube

Dana Blouin

have that type of motivation. We have the ultimate co director right yeah, God, he's gonna credit get the video from bare throat in Premiere and I'm gonna be like, I'm not gonna fucking

Unknown Speaker

promise

Dana Blouin

by the 360 camera itself.

Dana Blouin

Alright guys, until next time, stay strange pace.